Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you enroll for and participate in faction warfare, you shouldn't be able to plan for evasion. You would have given that up by being on the button.

That is the point we're trying to make.

Furthermore, if you really want to get into it, warp stabs are inherently overpowered. Especially in a 1v1 engagement, which is a more common occurrence in FW than other parts of space.

Most ships have more lowslots to cram with stabs than other ships have available mids to dedicate to tackle. Your argument just doesn't work in practice.

Warp stabs damage your scan resolution, which is an offensive capability. But in practice this is not a real penalty as a ship fitted with warp stabs is intending to avoid a fight by definition.

Warp stabs prevent you from being tackled properly, so a fair penalty would be if they also crippled your tank, to make dropping you with alpha a possibility.

Well, you heard it here folks. They've progressed from "get out of highsec and go to lowsec if you want to fight" to "don't be anywhere but null if you want to fight".

Lowsec is for fighting. Faction Warfare lowsec, moreso. EVE itself is for fighting If you *don't* want to fight, you are the one who doesn't belong here. FW is not there for you to happily farm free money all day, and you are not entitled to be left alone, ever.

I do hope you were being sarcastic, but in case you weren't, I should tell you that your attitude is disgusting.

Are you unaware that most frigates don't really have midslots to spare?

Let's take, as an example, that the farmer has 3 lowslots with stabs in them.

That is five points of warp.

For all your talk about disruptors, I would need two ships, each with two disruptors to even catch him. Not to mention the sebos I would need to lock him before he can run.

For one guy. And that's not overpowered to you?

If it's job unbalances the game, yes.




No, warps stabs are the problem. Or to be more precise they are the primary enabler of the actual problem, which is risk averse farming. Yes, it could be largely fixed by offlining them when around a button, but when this was brought up I believe they claimed that they couldn't feasibly do that.

So the module itself has to be dealt with instead.

I'm sorry but a module made to avoid combat does not break the game. Everyone throws around the term "eve is a sandbox" to justify kicking down sand castles. But when someone builds a moat to protect their sandcastle somehow they are suddenly breaking game mechanics? No, what's breaking game mechanics is the toxic People who cry whenever they don't get their way, on BOTH sides. Face it, there are going to be ways around PvP. Don't force feed the idea that they should somehow just cope with the fact that things aren't going to go the way they want when you can't deal with things not going your way, either.

However, if you are insistent, here's an idea- make it so that no more than two warpstabs can be fit on any ship but give industrials a role bonus that they can fit more than two. Now frigates can't have five warp stabs, industrials can still use them, and things are a little more acceptable.

Personally I think FW plexes need to be removed, and a new method implemented. But until then I thing the above idea would work

No, the problem being described is that what is intended to be THE individual conflict generator in EVE Online is being used for freaking botting en masse to harvest free money.

And the reason they can do that so freely is because warp stabs exist and are permitted to work in a FW plex.






Actually it's been devaluing the LP market for years.



Even a cursory look at the T1 frigate lineup slot layout shows that this is a lie. Well, unless I want to give up my prop mod and/or every single shield tank ship just to counter their abuse of a broken mechanic.

Just to put things into perspective, I set up a toon to see what all the fuss was about earlier this year, he started by plex farming whilst he trained weapons. This is before the changes to make things harder. Read on.......

I was surprised, that it really was quite profitable to spin a button, the actual mechanic requires absolutely no skill whatsoever.
Staying alive however is a different matter.
Very few sites could be got through without being interrupted, unless one came on just after downtime, then you could get an hour or two of comparative peace.

So one learned to live by dscan, every 5 seconds, without fail, warp stabs, nano fibres, either would work, you are in warp as they land, and some get quite abusive in local that you dared escape.
If you die? So what? you have a few more fitted ready to go.

That however was probably the only point of fun, upsetting self entitled players.
Having to escape with a minute to go! And all for nothing, is a crappy way to play. The cloak when I got it trained, at least made it a case of waiting to see who got bored first.
When the war is in your favour, you earn well, when it is not, why bother, it's just painful.

After a little while I found myself actively avoiding signing in with that account, it was just NOT A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE,

So onto stage two, try the other side of the coin!

By now I had learned that NO ship or fitting or tactic is going to catch an aware player who wishes to avoid it, the best I could do would be to disrupt his activities.

It did not take long to realise that most players were in fact split evenly down the middle into aware and not aware.
The unaware ones, if I had a good fit, were very easy to catch, almost trivially so. As they were relying on the invulnerability of their uncatchable fit, this was even more boring, I mostly could not be bothered to even kill them, this was as bad as button spinning!

Ok so try to get some combat, well that didn't go so fun,

There was no combat I could find.
There was Gatecamping, roams, baiting, station games, and other fun activities one might do when THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO GET A 1v1 FIGHT.
If you thought you found one, then you were going to be sorely introduced to faction warfare buttsec instead.

The only possibility was to take the bait, totally overwhelm him, and get out before the rest of the blob landed.
Oh such sport!

So the money was nice, give it to my main, and goodbye, it was no fun, an experience in frustration and boredom.
If one wants a way to get going in EvE with some money, it works, but it will burn out most players with the mind numbing tedium.
And they will never get the opportunity to find better.

That is entirely projecting your opinions onto the game.
Faction warfare is a complete bag of fail, it achieves NOTHING in any way connected to warfare, it is a poorly conceived time wasting mechanic that operates on the principle that if you feed in enough food and lambs to the slaughter it will somehow create PVP. Well it doesn't it fails at that, because thinking beyond that point needed quite a bit more work spent and thought into how that would occur.
It is like the underpants gnomes.

1.Encourage lots of targets in so PVP players come
2.??????
3.Profit!

And you want to remove the one thing that draws in the hunters like sharks to blood?

It's supposed to be this, it should be this, they should do that,they belong there,
If all that was true, then why isn't it as you say?

Because you have created your own imaginary belief of what it is that is contradicted by reality.
A well designed game should make you able to suspend disbelief in the inconsistencies.

This part of the game is just not well designed.

Ah is this the old chestnut!

There be bots!
Deztroy all the thingz!!

Where Karrous are these bots, or is it if someone warps off when you appear in dscan they must be a bot? CCP are quite clear, if one sees botting report it, they will deal with it, because once the cloak is gone, once the stabs are gone, once the nanos are gone, once the dscan is gone, what is left, what else can you find to say is unfair and encourages botting? Deal with the problems, not ignoring them and just wildly chopping away anything that lets people try to find a way to play their way.

Ah, such deductive talents, If I do not agree with you I must be lying, where have we heard that "wisdom" before?

Well my dear Karrous, as you so clearly have drawn inspiration from the language and disinformation methodology of pograms and purges, report them, excise their existence, purge the plague from the world.

But have you considered the possibility that they just might be players who have some how just managed to stay awake?

So it is more an implementation of kill them all and let God decide?
You do not want to implement in game Genocide against the wrong target do you?

But, I usually hear from you "Eve would be better off without them", again where have I heard that before in the real world, and what did it lead to? Within our lifetime as well. seems we are doomed to live with this curse.
Do you really not realise what you are saying,what you are espousing?

Every horrific action against other races, religions, colours, ethicities or tribes, begins with the statement "we would be better off without them" and you have not realised yet why people sometimes get upset with such posters? And disagree? Well we just must be lying.......

But if you decide to ignore all this, and dismiss it as just a rant, well you are not listening hard enough
Moving on.......

I agree that faction warfare sucks, fiddling with the minor mechanics to make life even less pleasant and blaming bots is not going to fix it however, you are just breaking it more.

Ps, I never thought I would see the day that you suggested, remove local? Wow, but good idea, that would help with the Bot problem in null, that does exist, in those quiet places that people rarely go, well more everywhere in null really, but more there.

Hmm but there again if no local we will not know if they are there. Hmm and they probably use local to warp off when people come in. Quite a quandary.

If you can't see a bot is it sort of in a state of potential existence, like Schrödinger's catbot?

So, I guess more AFK cloaking would be the answer, that will stop those meddling bots for sure!


It might annoy a few though, so very brave to suggest it.