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Deluded Faith
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-08-01 12:14:06 UTC
Roll ok i wanna look at the rules on the combat / aggression for super capitals.Roll

I (twice) have lost a super capital class ship in the combat system. but never in a combat site.

1st i was at the station getting mods i forgot ect. and some snow flake decides to try and bump me off the undock so the no agro on station rules dont apply.

i see whats going on. i warp to a safe and then to my pos. but on landing im in bubbles and 300k off the pos.

Arrow second super Arrow

had some pew pew in the combat site. and obviously aligned out and a hic warps in at 0 so i warp.
i land on the safe spot. and before i have time to cloak the bubbler lands on me. ( gratz to the guy he got me fast.)

and then came the 20 dreads and 5 hics/ dics.

my point is that i think the rules on the use for super capitals should be changed as as soon as you appear your a big target.
so ppl wanna pew pew. its great. i love pew pew

but when you cant go anywhere or safe up bc its bubbled or it has bumpers waiting for you. you just cant use it or test anything with it due to the insta death awaiting you.

could the gms have a look at these rules and come up with a way for the bigger more (undockable) to have somewhere to go to be " safe" without the constant threat of being bubbled and killed ( kind of stopping the point of the TEST server) as you cant test anything.

also " no fun allowed" dudes u think ur cool for killing me 2 times. but its just sad. and pls stop trying to catch me and my alliance mates in mid points (out side of the combat systems). its against the rules and makes u look like ur incompetent on the real server.

so can something be done or a site added for super class ships only where combat is not allowed. or bubbling the grid to it.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2014-08-01 15:10:30 UTC
Deluded Faith wrote:
Roll ok i wanna look at the rules on the combat / aggression for super capitals.Roll

I (twice) have lost a super capital class ship in the combat system. but never in a combat site.

1st i was at the station getting mods i forgot ect. and some snow flake decides to try and bump me off the undock so the no agro on station rules dont apply.

i see whats going on. i warp to a safe and then to my pos. but on landing im in bubbles and 300k off the pos.

Arrow second super Arrow

had some pew pew in the combat site. and obviously aligned out and a hic warps in at 0 so i warp.
i land on the safe spot. and before i have time to cloak the bubbler lands on me. ( gratz to the guy he got me fast.)

and then came the 20 dreads and 5 hics/ dics.

my point is that i think the rules on the use for super capitals should be changed as as soon as you appear your a big target.
so ppl wanna pew pew. its great. i love pew pew

but when you cant go anywhere or safe up bc its bubbled or it has bumpers waiting for you. you just cant use it or test anything with it due to the insta death awaiting you.

could the gms have a look at these rules and come up with a way for the bigger more (undockable) to have somewhere to go to be " safe" without the constant threat of being bubbled and killed ( kind of stopping the point of the TEST server) as you cant test anything.

also " no fun allowed" dudes u think ur cool for killing me 2 times. but its just sad. and pls stop trying to catch me and my alliance mates in mid points (out side of the combat systems). its against the rules and makes u look like ur incompetent on the real server.

so can something be done or a site added for super class ships only where combat is not allowed. or bubbling the grid to it.







Just to clarify the "no aggression on station" rules - they don't apply to the undock, they apply to the grid. If you can see the station on grid, no fighting. The other parts all sound like kosher combat to me, and I'm afraid that that's the risk you run in 6-C. If you want safety for testing, there are plenty of systems you can go to to achieve this.


CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Wedge Rancer
The Rogue Space Force
#3 - 2014-08-02 03:44:38 UTC
Deluded Faith wrote:


1st i was at the station getting mods i forgot ect. and some snow flake decides to try and bump me off the undock so the no agro on station rules dont apply.

Some CCP will correct me if I am wrong but I think bumping off station is also prohibited under the "1. No interfering with CCP, volunteer or player testing." rule, at least thats what ive been told by BHs and I think CCPs/QAs in the past.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#4 - 2014-08-02 07:34:15 UTC
I'm missing something on the part "super capital and fitting at station" here ? P

anyway best solution for you is to cyno your supercap to somewhere that has less traffic.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#5 - 2014-08-02 10:51:12 UTC
The only illegal part was bumping you off station. Anywhere except station and gates are viable to attack people at. So planets, pocos, moons, poses, safespots, sun and so on are all valid engagement locations.
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#6 - 2014-08-02 22:40:01 UTC
what about wormholes, asteroid belts and combat anomalies/signatures?
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#7 - 2014-08-03 14:35:06 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
what about wormholes, asteroid belts and combat anomalies/signatures?

As long as it's in the combat systems and not station/gates all places are legal. If you go outside the combat systems however nowhere is legal without consent, which includes all kinds of starbases etc as well.
Deluded Faith
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-08-03 16:40:58 UTC
well it doesnt take long to bump you off grid. so the point of it being " on grid is not ok" is kind of pointless.

also being in the combat system is fine. i logged in to die. i was bored.

but as it stands the super capital testing for combat is very poor. as iv seen it happen as the nyx got moved into system it was scanned before it could warp and died.

there needs to be some sort of rule for super class of ships for getting into system and being able to log somewhere where its actually safe to do so without being bumped off grid. of perma bubbled.

this is stopping you testing the ship bc u die when you log in.
Deluded Faith
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-08-03 16:57:27 UTC
Baneken wrote:
I'm missing something on the part "super capital and fitting at station" here ? P

anyway best solution for you is to cyno your supercap to somewhere that has less traffic.



our pos was perma bubbled from the direction of all gates and stations ect. so the alt couldn't get the mods to me. so i had to warp it to the station from a safe spot.

so i was being bumped at the station. and our pos was bubbled. so either way i would not have lived. and thus i cant test my ship. or mods ect. something needs to be done so u can be safe to log out and be in system.

or can you clarify the bumping rules.
as bumping is ok. but bumping off grid to get around a rule ???
hellswindstaff
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#10 - 2014-08-03 23:16:37 UTC
bumping should be against the rules to on station grid. Basically any action that involves engaging another player on grid should be against rules. And yes your bumping Mach included.
Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
xqtywiznalamywmodxfhhopawzpqyjdwrpeptuaenabjawdzku
#11 - 2014-08-04 17:08:10 UTC
Deluded Faith wrote:
Roll ok i wanna look at the rules on the combat / aggression for super capitals.Roll

I (twice) have lost a super capital class ship in the combat system. but never in a combat site.

1st i was at the station getting mods i forgot ect. and some snow flake decides to try and bump me off the undock so the no agro on station rules dont apply.

i see whats going on. i warp to a safe and then to my pos. but on landing im in bubbles and 300k off the pos.

Arrow second super Arrow

had some pew pew in the combat site. and obviously aligned out and a hic warps in at 0 so i warp.
i land on the safe spot. and before i have time to cloak the bubbler lands on me. ( gratz to the guy he got me fast.)

and then came the 20 dreads and 5 hics/ dics.

my point is that i think the rules on the use for super capitals should be changed as as soon as you appear your a big target.
so ppl wanna pew pew. its great. i love pew pew

but when you cant go anywhere or safe up bc its bubbled or it has bumpers waiting for you. you just cant use it or test anything with it due to the insta death awaiting you.

could the gms have a look at these rules and come up with a way for the bigger more (undockable) to have somewhere to go to be " safe" without the constant threat of being bubbled and killed ( kind of stopping the point of the TEST server) as you cant test anything.

also " no fun allowed" dudes u think ur cool for killing me 2 times. but its just sad. and pls stop trying to catch me and my alliance mates in mid points (out side of the combat systems). its against the rules and makes u look like ur incompetent on the real server.

so can something be done or a site added for super class ships only where combat is not allowed. or bubbling the grid to it.





u wot m8

~lvl 60 paladin~
Erica Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-08-07 02:23:02 UTC
Eh, personally I'd just move to permanently ban all current members of NoFun Allowed...

What they should really be called is NoTesting Allowed. While grieving is perfectly fine on TQ, it certainly is not on SiSi, as it has srs repercussions for player testing.
Laendra
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-08-07 05:27:49 UTC
Honestly, if Supers were on the market, OUTSIDE of this system, this would be a non-issue. You could go have your testing all you wanted outside the system, and then when you wanted to splerg a super, move it to this system and die before you can warp.

It's ridiculous, given the rapid mirror schedule, that you do not have time to even build the ship before the next mirror, much less get any valid testing done.

As prolific as supers are on TQ, I'd say more testing is better...

honestly, you could just BAN supers in this one system altogether.
Sooyoung snsd
EndlessRain
Naval Defence Alliance
#14 - 2014-08-07 10:39:54 UTC
Erica Rotineque wrote:
Eh, personally I'd just move to permanently ban all current members of NoFun Allowed...

What they should really be called is NoTesting Allowed. While grieving is perfectly fine on TQ, it certainly is not on SiSi, as it has srs repercussions for player testing.


sadly they've been a problem for about 5-6 mirrors now. they get about 20 toons and just fit them for dreads or carriers and do almost anything to be able to kill a super, they rolled my pos with a titan to get my nyx.
Max Croxford
Ethereal Legion
Ethereal Legion.
#15 - 2014-08-07 17:11:31 UTC
Erica Rotineque wrote:
Eh, personally I'd just move to permanently ban all current members of NoFun Allowed...

What they should really be called is NoTesting Allowed. While grieving is perfectly fine on TQ, it certainly is not on SiSi, as it has srs repercussions for player testing.


+1
Lee Janssen
Zero Fun Allowed
#16 - 2014-08-08 20:49:52 UTC
Erica Rotineque wrote:
Eh, personally I'd just move to permanently ban all current members of NoFun Allowed...

What they should really be called is NoTesting Allowed. While grieving is perfectly fine on TQ, it certainly is not on SiSi, as it has srs repercussions for player testing.


Why do you hate me so much =((((((((((
Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
xqtywiznalamywmodxfhhopawzpqyjdwrpeptuaenabjawdzku
#17 - 2014-08-10 15:08:26 UTC
Sooyoung snsd wrote:
Erica Rotineque wrote:
Eh, personally I'd just move to permanently ban all current members of NoFun Allowed...

What they should really be called is NoTesting Allowed. While grieving is perfectly fine on TQ, it certainly is not on SiSi, as it has srs repercussions for player testing.


sadly they've been a problem for about 5-6 mirrors now. they get about 20 toons and just fit them for dreads or carriers and do almost anything to be able to kill a super, they rolled my pos with a titan to get my nyx.


What mods do you fit on toons for dreads or carriers?

~lvl 60 paladin~
Sooyoung snsd
EndlessRain
Naval Defence Alliance
#18 - 2014-08-10 18:42:55 UTC
Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:
Sooyoung snsd wrote:
Erica Rotineque wrote:
Eh, personally I'd just move to permanently ban all current members of NoFun Allowed...

What they should really be called is NoTesting Allowed. While grieving is perfectly fine on TQ, it certainly is not on SiSi, as it has srs repercussions for player testing.


sadly they've been a problem for about 5-6 mirrors now. they get about 20 toons and just fit them for dreads or carriers and do almost anything to be able to kill a super, they rolled my pos with a titan to get my nyx.


What mods do you fit on toons for dreads or carriers?

adding sp to a character....
Deluded Faith
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-08-11 15:22:33 UTC
so can the rules be cleared up for this by a dev or gm ? as i think this is a valid problem / exploit being used to get around the rules.

also the dev hasnt replied to the point i made about the getting into system and being able to test your super as you die before you can warp. please can you do something about this as its really crap. i want to test it but cant due to the ppl who will do anything to get the km. we need a safe for super caps at least. that sub caps cant enter or are not allowed. with the same rules as the station or gates.

i dont mind loosing it. but to be moved and be bubbled is basicly stopping the test server from doing what its there for.

players are using this to pvp because its cheaper then TQ.