Crime & Punishment

All I know is some guy tried to gank me, failed, and I made 30 million off the KR because I set it at global availability (everybody, baby) at 10 million to use, and it took three tries before somebody actually nailed him.......

If a kill right is activated but the person isn't shot down, then the suspect flag will just expire and the KR will be once again until the 30 days are up or until it is activated and the person is destroyed during that period.

The killright system is flawed. My main currently has 30 or so people with killrights on him. My alt is around the same as well. A few have been activated but given I live in lowsec, both of them below -5. It is pointless to activate them as I can be shot by everyone in high sec anyways. I can be shot by everyone in lowsec without them receiving repercussions of the gate/station guns, even with them aggressing first.

This system is only useful if:
*The offender is above -3 and can still go in 0.7 and lower. (realistically)
*The offender has active KR and uses tags to gain Security Status.
*The offender maintains a security status to be able to stay in high sec. Which most do not.


Pretty much if the person is between a 5.1 down to a -4 and goes into a 0.5 system. Otherwise, this system is completely useless.

I read your responses, many of which have valid points. However, with the advent of the Clone tags, someone with a neg sec status can regain access and fly in hi sec systems. In fact, I see this all the time in Jita. There are some who gank the trade route in and out of Jita IV-4, and once their status falls sufficiently, they simply trade tags and come back.

So, while the KR system is not perfect, it is far from useless.

I have scored several kills on gankers, using the KR's I obtain from others... most recently... a Tornado. Not 5 min later, the same dude came out in another identical Tornado and someone else popped him. There are Cats and Thrashers all over Jita that are ganking which would be ideal targets, if not for the fact that they have alts or friends manipulate the KR system with 100m isk activation. That manipulation would be negated, however, by someone who privately owned their own KR on the person.

It is true that there are many who hang out in low or null, but it is also true that there are many professional gankers who hang out in hi sec hoping to get some squishy targets, and are able to persist in hi sec bc of the tags. It is those gankers, specifically, where kill rights become useful.

Consider too, that there is a number of ppl in FW who pass thru hi sec on route to the low sec sites, who have kill rights on them as well.. many who are camping gates on the hs side...

So.. I mean.. sure .. the value of the kill rights is contextual... but so is most of EvE.. I just don't want ppl wasting them out of ignorance of the mechanic. Making the KR activation available to 'All' pretty well assures that it will be wasted... so i'm simply trying to inform people to handle them in a different manner so some use can be made of them.

Thanks for the feedback

You do realize very Few gankers do actually use those tags right? They are anything but cheap and honestly its not worth the hastle since your average ganker is on grid for at max 20 seconds to perform the deed. I dont need -2 sec status to do that if im doing it at -9

Its shy of a billion ISK to do it, i dont remember the exact ISK count though Maybe 600-800? I dont bother with it

This is true. I do it all the time.



False, activating the killright does not get rid of it, the ganker has to actually lose a ship. (though a noobship works just fine for this)



Also false, the person who owns the killright gets the isk from it being activated, even if it is activated more than once.

Beyond that, I approve of this product and or service, and with the OP all the best in his hunting. I agree that killrights are an underutilized aspect of high sec mechanics, and would like to see that changed. However I do also agree with some of the previous statements that a huge percentage of killrights available are on characters with -10 sec status who actually have no intention of getting their sec status back, though certainly not all.

A lot of killrights you see in jita are insurance scams, freighters undocking with billion ISK Killrights, ventures with 20m killrights, its all a ploy to make good ISK and use the system to do so. I did it once with an orca and came out 400m on top when it was dead. The honest truth is dedicated gankers 9/10 don't fix their sec status, we wear the badge of -10 as a badge of honor, it shows that we worked to get to where we did. I'll never fix my alts sec status, she'll be -10 for life. And as this toon slips down further from my tim in low sec ill be keeping it where it is, of course thats difficult when you rat as s=much as i do haha