Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think the killmails should accurately indicate who was involved in the combat. Currently killmails are often inaccurate showing a t1 frigate killing a t1 cruiser, when really it was a t3 cruiser and a t1 frigate killing a t1 cruiser.

So please include the booster alts on the killmail. "Soon" they will need to be on grid so there is not like they are supposed to be kept secret. In the meantime killmails should provide information about the battle not misinformation.

Intel is not the issue. Again given that CCP has clearly indicated they are working to force them on grid I don't think they see hiding the intel of who is doing the boosting as a feature.

The issue is whether the killmails should give accurate information, or misinformation about the combat.

Whether they receive a combat timer is a different issue.

Well given the fact that you're probably dying when the booster is at work... you kinda need someone else to scan them down.
Also the problem comes up that it is NOT that easy to catch good booster alts. They move into system, set up 5-6 safespots. Second they see probes on Dscan they move. Now you've got to scan again. In some of the larger systems it'll take you at least 3-4 scans to lock them down. If you've probed down that many boosters and taken them out, clearly the ones you were stalking were noobs.
You can warp around and use your Dscanner to aim and get a slightly better lock on them, but as I find they often sit in system cloaked, until a fight starts and then they decloak and fire up the boosts, second they deem that the boosts aren't needed the cloak goes back on.
And commandships aren't necessarily weak either (only when people be stupid and go for the 7boosts per ship BS, get 2 ships, have real boosts), small guns/RLMLs, tank, ECM, MMJD, Stabs. They're surprisingly tough nuts to crack. And then they warp. Note this is just judging off of a video of a friend of mine trying to stalk a group of lowrat leet PVPer commandships boosting a gate camp. (literally the second that a neut was in system and not dead, they cloaked up almost instantly, until the main gang jumped through, then they went to the defensive jumping around bs)

Your proposal is flawed as it does not mention Logi.

You could add those as well. Different issue, but I personally would be fine with it. Right now kms do not even attempt to indicated what the pods had, they are just supposed to indicate what ships were involved. They misrepresent what ships were inolved.

Heh, so maybe never, since it would still break to much as of now ,)

Just because I don't care about KMs doesn't mean I support a useless feature and false feature in them.

You would also not see a RR ship helping the killer, nor a remote sensor booster, nor a remote tracking link, All those are still not participating in the combat as in a ship engaging another ship in a direct way that relates to ones destruction. And therefore its not supposed to be on a KM. If you want SM (support mails) sure, they could be on those, but I would regard them as even more useless the KMs.
And some point you can just make stuff up to push your ego or intel, there is s point where it goes to far. I am happy we left the Gestapo and Stasi behind us ... I don't want that neighbor spy on neighbor supported by the game. Bad enough as it is. Same as giving away private liberties through the fashionable social networking its like handing intel out for everyone, cause shiny killmail. I can do without KMs, High Scores, Ranking and whatever ... my ego needs no pushing nor polishing.

Same as tourists taking pictures all the time, useless thing, if you can't be in the moment, why bother. I fly in the moment, I don't need a document to prove or analyze it.

Well, that or just change boosts to be on grid finally.

They are the only thing in the game that provides a concrete mechanical advantage and does not have to risk itself on grid. Logi, ewar, refitting, all have to be on grid. Boosting should too.

It would be really great if every system were small enough to Dscan the entire thing from any point (usually from a gate... where I'm about to get mercced by 1-2 people who have a flat 30% more tank than I could possibly have.)
Perhaps I might extrapolate, there are 8 guys in system, 1 is me, 2 are shooting me, and theres 5 others who might be doing anything else. All 7 of them are from the same corp... yeah doesn't work out so well.
Perhaps I could screenshot local and check later for corps and maybe narrow down my search... but thats a maybe on the effectiveness. And its also only a maybe if I'm able to Dscan them from where I am.

Its unclear that the booster ship will only be giving boosts after they are on grid. If that is the case then they will be able to tell who the booster is because he did not aggress anyone. The fleets that can switch up who is the booster will have an advantage but I don't see that as an issue.

That's a fairly weak objection.

For one, it would be a toss up in wanting to alpha the booster or the logi. A Logistics ship is doing far more than boosts will to keep tanks up. I don't know much about T3 logistics as I hate the entire ship line, but command ships aren't exactly especially squishy, and some are decidededly hard to kill. Unplated a Damnation has a better tank than most battleships, putting plates on one and supporting it with Logistics is just cheating.

Secondly, it would be incentive to bring your boosters on grid. Not much incentive, as it's a fairly weak point anyway, but if there is someone wishing to keep his booster a secret, then bringing it on grid an participating in the fight would be the way to go.

It's a fair point that receiving boosts should negate claims of being solo. Even if not on grid boosting pilots should share in both credit and blame.

Any ship affecting any other ship involved in a fight should be on the killmail.