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War Dec'ing has become an abusive tool among other things.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#61 - 2014-08-09 09:01:02 UTC
You know we have spaceships with weapons on them that work wonders when it comes to settling personal disputes.
Can we get back on the topic of the OP being horribly wrong, despite being extremely distraught about the wardec mechanic? I just got some popcorn popped.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Kalishka Ashkulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2014-08-09 09:01:05 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
Kalishka Ashkulf wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Tippia wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
typical tippis troll post.
Typical ******** post.
Have you any clue whatsoever what wardecs are or how the game works (and has worked since before it was even released)? Are you even in the slightest aware of the history of EVE and how it has developed? No. So STFU and let the adults talk.

Every last detail in the OP is ignorant, idiotic, completely bare of any intelligence or understanding of the game and its mechanics. It is 100% wrong and expressed even worse. Trying to defend even a single syllable of it is to loudly admit a complete lack of any comprehension that is even remotely related to the topic and thus immediately disqualifying yourself from even being part of the conversation.

Typical rude, abrasive, and insulting post.


Well, not really. She was accused of being a troll, based solely on the fact she argued against the OP's (let's be honest here) overly long rant. I'm pretty sure after explaining your side of view on something and being called a troll will annoy the **** out of you too.

Quite frankly, I agree with Tippia. I have yet to come across anything wrong with the wardeccing mechanics. To be fair to Tippia, I'm surprised she had the stomach to wade through the jumbled mess that is the OP clusterf*** of letters.

Why should Wardeccing mechanics be changed? After all, some people simply hide away in stations to avoid wardeccing. If that happens, should the aggressor get their money back? I imagine you would argue they should not. Why is it that mechanics should be changed to decrease the number of wardecs or simply make them more costly? How is that supposed to promote gameplay exactly?


she is a troll there is no doubt, perhaps you should check all the 100s of derogatory posts. There are ways and means of disagreeing without insulting people. It's people like you and tippia that stop people coming on forums because you simply can't have a grown up conversation, what makes your opinion better or right over someone else's?


I beg your pardon! Sorry, but that is a direct attack on other persons of this forum. That statement offers no discussion to the topic at hand. Please show me how I have kept people away from my "evil posting" here is my post history

As for Tippia. Often I agree with her statements. Sometimes I do not. However, I don't go around accusing her of frightening people from the forums.

To keep back on topic, I disagree with the OP. I think there are many misguided assumptions in the post and I think she could benefit from rethinking her position on the matter. Or at the very least, remodel her presentation.

Sorry, was that too harsh!

Why, thank you, Thing!
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#63 - 2014-08-09 09:01:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:

no what we are doing is not putting up with a person who constantly forum trolls and is derogatory to every other player that posts. simple as.


There is no "we". You're alone here, tilting at windmills, defending the stupid, the ignorant, and the imbeciles.


so you are calling people stupid and imbeciles because you don't agree with their ideas or opinions? wow...
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-08-09 09:01:51 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
The thread till now :

OP : Wardecs work!!! Why do they work like they're supposed to work??
Tips : Boom. -Reload-
Others : mimimimimimimimimimimi

no ****.

I mean, come on, I know Tippia posts in a very straightforward way (calling him a troll is akin to call an apple, orange. just an FYI).

I know, straightforwardness in GD? heresy! it be a troll! burn the heretic!

Roll

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#65 - 2014-08-09 09:03:49 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:

no what we are doing is not putting up with a person who constantly forum trolls and is derogatory to every other player that posts. simple as.


There is no "we". You're alone here, tilting at windmills, defending the stupid, the ignorant, and the imbeciles.


so you are calling people stupid and imbeciles because you don't agree with their ideas or opinions? wow...


No, I'm calling them that because they're stupid. It's theoretically possible to disagree with me and not be an idiot.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#66 - 2014-08-09 09:03:55 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
...and I'm not sure why you think otherwise.


My point is you are either here to pick a fight with Tippia, or be part of a discussion about wardecs. Posting so far indicates the former.


no what we are doing is not putting up with a person who constantly forum trolls and is derogatory to every other player that posts. simple as.


No, what you are doing is throwing a tantrum at someone that shows you up and calls you out every time you say something stupid. Like what you just said now, it's stupid. Tippia certainly is not derogatory to every other player that posts, only the stupid ones. Like you.


I disagree
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#67 - 2014-08-09 09:04:35 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
...and I'm not sure why you think otherwise.


My point is you are either here to pick a fight with Tippia, or be part of a discussion about wardecs. Posting so far indicates the former.


no what we are doing is not putting up with a person who constantly forum trolls and is derogatory to every other player that posts. simple as.

I think Tippia's posts are some of the most insightful and well written on the forums, most especially when putting across or countering some argument. I really enjoy reading them even if I don't 100% agree 100% of the time, almost though.

Sure they can be a little abrasive at times but holy **** do you even read what most posts are like around here?

Tippia has waaay more patience than I ever could have. I'd vote Tippia CSM, ISD, CCP Ceo or Prime Minister of Australia any day. P

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-08-09 09:05:01 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:

no what we are doing is not putting up with a person who constantly forum trolls and is derogatory to every other player that posts. simple as.


There is no "we". You're alone here, tilting at windmills, defending the stupid, the ignorant, and the imbeciles.


so you are calling people stupid and imbeciles because you don't agree with their ideas or opinions? wow...


No, it's not because he doesn't agree, it's because they are stupid ideas and opinions. There are ideas and opinions that can be disagreed with and discussed, because there is no indication of whether they're good or bad yet, then there are demonstrably stupid ideas that should be dismissed with disdain. This thread is an example of the latter.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#69 - 2014-08-09 09:05:26 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
so you are calling people stupid and imbeciles because you don't agree with their ideas or opinions?

No, he's calling people stupid and imbeciles because they have proven themselves to be stupid imbeciles by exhibiting a complete lack of understanding of the topic they've tried to talk about.

Again, you understand that pretty much everything the OP says is factually incorrect, impossible, or just plain old ignorant of core game functionality, right?
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-08-09 09:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
Oh this is going to be good. SO! Let the deconstruction of op begin.



War Declaration has become a tool for people to use to be able to legitimately attack anyone they want or they use it to extort players out of isk.
As it always has. Working as intended.

I am not referring to ganking, ganking is a form of piracy and there are consequences for doing so.
Ganking isn't piracy. Ganking is pure pvp. Ransoming someone for personal gain is piracy.

Excessive ganking of one particular person should be considered harassment especially if done repeatedly several times again and again for no gain on the attackers part. Kill mails are highly over-rated and mean nothing in the grand scheme of things except for determining W/L in large scale war/campaigns.
Killmails = Epeen. And yes, ganking someone repeatedly DOES have a gain. They produce killmails, which as I said, equal epeen points. The victim also has a small chance of producing an epic highsec braveheart thread. *cough cough*

There are a lot of people who have cancelled their accounts because they cannot have any fun no matter what they choose to do in this game because they do not want to fight in PVP ever...
Good, EvE wasn't meant for them anyway. I guess they took GD's advice and went back to wow.

If try to If you try to pay them off or surrender they do not listen they just keep coming after you.
Tears are an oh so valuable commodity.

You could close your entire corp down to avoid being war dec'd, but then a large part of the empire building aspect of this game is reduced to working only with NPC Faction Corps
Rome didn't pack up and run from the Carthaginians, either. In the words of forum-lord Tippia, "If you don't want to defend what you own, you don't deserve it, and you will lose it."

Industrialists do the work that the PVPer's don't want to do, so why attack the people doing the work you do not want to do.
1) No they don't. 2) Because attacking them generates killmails, tears, loot, and epic highsec braveheart threads.

So the be-grieved player is either forced to quit the game altogether or buy a new character from the character bazaar...
Why?

...which costs a lot of in game money, which you cant earn because you are being grieved.
Adapt or die.

Combat is only one part. If all you care about is combat then why play a game that should take quite a while to build a up a good character for fighting. Why not play a game with a little more instant gratification?!?
If you don't like combat, why play a game that focuses around combat? Why not play a game with a little more single player?!?

2. All character purchases should end. Period. Earning is learning in this game you should not have the ability to buy a character you have no business using without having to have earned it.
"If you don't want to defend what you own, you don't deserve it, and you will lose it." Earn your right to survive or you have no business being in a ship.

3. All Concord response times in high sec should be decreased by 45 second in 0.5 and accordingly in higher sec
0.5: Roughly 19 seconds
0.6: Roughly 14 seconds
0.7 : Roughly 10 seconds
0.8 : Roughly 7 seconds
0.9 and 1.0: Roughly 6 seconds
Negative 26 second response time in a 0.5. That is what you call efficient!

These changes need to happen or CCP will lose more accounts due to people not getting to play the game their way as much as other get to PVP.
Oh boy. First off, I was not aware that after 11 long years of ganking, eve is suddenly losing all it's subscribers. CCP does not cater to the fragile. Secondly, you can play the game any way you like... and so can the guy who wants to shoot you.


And now gents, for the prize of the thread. I give you:
Toridaal Sabezan wrote:
This game is only 1/8 PVP the 7/8th is not.

No. This game is 100% pvp in one way or another. Like you said above when asking why pvpers didn't play faster games instead, why play a pvp game if you don't want to get pvp'ed?

All in all, this is the stupidest thread I have ever read. Everything in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may the Bob have mercy on your soul.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#71 - 2014-08-09 09:05:50 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:

no what we are doing is not putting up with a person who constantly forum trolls and is derogatory to every other player that posts. simple as.


There is no "we". You're alone here, tilting at windmills, defending the stupid, the ignorant, and the imbeciles.


so you are calling people stupid and imbeciles because you don't agree with their ideas or opinions? wow...


No, it's not because he doesn't agree, it's because they are stupid ideas and opinions. There are ideas and opinions that can be disagreed with and discussed, because there is no indication of whether they're good or bad yet, then there are demonstrably stupid ideas that should be dismissed with disdain. This thread is an example of the latter.


I disagree
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2014-08-09 09:05:51 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
...and I'm not sure why you think otherwise.


My point is you are either here to pick a fight with Tippia, or be part of a discussion about wardecs. Posting so far indicates the former.


no what we are doing is not putting up with a person who constantly forum trolls and is derogatory to every other player that posts. simple as.


No, what you are doing is throwing a tantrum at someone that shows you up and calls you out every time you say something stupid. Like what you just said now, it's stupid. Tippia certainly is not derogatory to every other player that posts, only the stupid ones. Like you.


I disagree


What do you disagree with? Everything I've stated is demonstrable, your agreement is not required for it to be true.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#73 - 2014-08-09 09:06:44 UTC

Quote:


What do you disagree with? Everything I've stated is demonstrable, your agreement is not required for it to be true.


I disagree
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#74 - 2014-08-09 09:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
ImYourMom wrote:
I disagree
…and that explains why people are inclined to include you in the ignorant troll category: you are disagreeing with proven facts and reality. Disagreeing with this fact, in turn, (without providing any kind of supporting evidence) just strengthens their conclusion on that matter.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-08-09 09:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
ImYourMom wrote:

Quote:


What do you disagree with? Everything I've stated is demonstrable, your agreement is not required for it to be true.


I disagree


Oh wow, so now that you're out of even bad counter arguments, you've opted for the 5 year old approach of just repeating yourself over and over? Get a clue, it doesn't matter whether you agree or not, fact is fact. You're just a moron. And an immature child to boot.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-08-09 09:13:14 UTC
" Dammnit, I tried to make a point and got shot down. Better resort to calling everyone that disagrees with me, rude and trolls. "

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-08-09 09:13:31 UTC
ok time to call the mods. think this thread is too far gone into the twilight zone already.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-08-09 09:14:16 UTC
Ah saturday morning , ISD hangover time ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-08-09 09:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
flakeys wrote:
Ah saturday morning , ISD hangover time ...


Saturday night for me. Hangover just ended, time to start again...

EDIT: that's actually not true, I haven't had a drink in months. Good news is, though, that changes next weekend cuz my cancer treatments end this week

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-08-09 09:17:28 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Ah saturday morning , ISD hangover time ...

+1.

Bonus points for the apt sig.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.