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Problem: Minmatar ships are too easy to fit. Solution? Read inside
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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-12-08 23:09:32 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkAegix
Anyone fitting a Minmatar ship will know how damn easy it is. Slap on the largest guns, oversize tank, T2 tackle and equal-sized neuts if applicable.
Too easy.
With any other race you need to drop the guns down a size, leave a high slot empty, fit an undersized tank, fit meta tackle and DCU, fool about with adaptive nano plating, etc.

Minmatar ships end up being just plain better because of it.

I got thinking on how this problem could be solved. I thought to myself 'What would CCP do to balance a Minmatar ship?' and 'How can Minmatar ships be harder to fit?'

Well, the solution quickly became apparent to me.
Add more slots to all of the Minmatar ships! It's perfect!

The Hurricane can have an 8,8,8 slot layout! Can you imagine how hard it will be to fit it? Filling all those slots will quickly exhaust all of the CPU.

Will there be balance issues? No, actually! Most of us know that by flying Minmatar you automatically win at PVP. However, some people don't believe this (and so are promptly blown up by Minmatar ships and so whine on the forums about it). By nerfing all of the Minmatar ships by giving them 2, 3 or 4 extra slots, everyone will fly Minmatar, and since everyone will always win, everything will be balanced!


[Hurricane, 24 slots]

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Faint Warp Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Optical Tracking Computer I
Optical Tracking Computer I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200

Alpha Reactor Control: Reaction Control
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5


Can you just see all the sacrifice in that fit? It was pain to manage the CPU and powergrid!
NERF MINMATAR! GIVE THEM MORE SLOTS!
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-12-08 23:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Wylee Coyote
I'll agree to this and even +1 it on two conditions;

1: Myrmidons get their missing fitting slot (preferably medium) along with extra pg and cpu.

2: Myrmidons get 5 more Mbs bandwidth and 10 more m^3 dronebay storage.
Pika Pedel
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-12-08 23:27:20 UTC
Supported.
kdog666
Private Equity and Novel Industry Solutions
#4 - 2011-12-08 23:35:02 UTC
I fly minmatarr, but I have to say... I agree Shocked +1
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-12-09 00:57:15 UTC
QQ + Troll = Fail

:D
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#6 - 2011-12-09 01:48:49 UTC
2/10

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-12-09 01:51:26 UTC
kdog666 wrote:
I fly minmatarr, but I have to say... I agree Shocked +1



Me too Shocked
Aamrr
#8 - 2011-12-09 01:54:39 UTC
I lol'd.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#9 - 2011-12-09 01:57:15 UTC
I had a laugh Big smile
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-12-09 09:01:18 UTC
reading the topic, i thought, wtf not another one. instead i had a good laugh. thx.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2011-12-09 09:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
I'll admit... I giggled.

edit: Best part IMO

Quote:
By nerfing all of the Minmatar ships by giving them 2, 3 or 4 extra slots, everyone will fly Minmatar, and since everyone will always win, everything will be balanced!


Holy crap... the logic in that is actually sound!! Lol

How did you Veterans start?
Antal Marius
Allied Operations
Mechanicus Macabre Immortale
#12 - 2011-12-09 10:26:52 UTC
Is it bad that it makes a whole lotta sense? Even though everyone and their mother would start to fly minmatar.
We could just have that slot layout for every ship though.
Arrigo Glokta
#13 - 2011-12-09 11:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrigo Glokta
Yeah - I agree that Minmatar need to be pegged back a touch - but I am totally sick of seeing the NERF WINMITAR threads!

However, I had a good old chcukle at this one. Well done sir.

+1
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-09 15:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Warbird
Once you go black you never go back.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
zatazon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-12-09 16:35:14 UTC
Out of boredom I opened this post expecting to see tears or something along those lines, instead I find perfectly sound logic and get a laugh.


Great post +1
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2011-12-09 17:36:43 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Anyone fitting a Minmatar ship will know how damn easy it is. Slap on the largest guns, oversize tank, T2 tackle and equal-sized neuts if applicable.
Too easy.
With any other race you need to drop the guns down a size, leave a high slot empty, fit an undersized tank, fit meta tackle and DCU, fool about with adaptive nano plating, etc.

Minmatar ships end up being just plain better because of it.

I got thinking on how this problem could be solved. I thought to myself 'What would CCP do to balance a Minmatar ship?' and 'How can Minmatar ships be harder to fit?'

Well, the solution quickly became apparent to me.
Add more slots to all of the Minmatar ships! It's perfect!

The Hurricane can have an 8,8,8 slot layout! Can you imagine how hard it will be to fit it? Filling all those slots will quickly exhaust all of the CPU.

Will there be balance issues? No, actually! Most of us know that by flying Minmatar you automatically win at PVP. However, some people don't believe this (and so are promptly blown up by Minmatar ships and so whine on the forums about it). By nerfing all of the Minmatar ships by giving them 2, 3 or 4 extra slots, everyone will fly Minmatar, and since everyone will always win, everything will be balanced!


[Hurricane, 24 slots]

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Faint Warp Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Optical Tracking Computer I
Optical Tracking Computer I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200

Alpha Reactor Control: Reaction Control
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5


Can you just see all the sacrifice in that fit? It was pain to manage the CPU and powergrid!
NERF MINMATAR! GIVE THEM MORE SLOTS!


You didn't even dual tank it you moron.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#17 - 2011-12-09 23:24:43 UTC
Made me laugh, which is enough for a +1 in my book.
Anny Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-12-10 11:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Anny Jackson
Hmm, and what will your suggestion be about Drake? I guess 8/8/8 Drake would be too little pain for its pilots. I think 10/10/10 will be a perfect Drake.
Yith Za'bolazhi
Boom Boom Industries
DammFam
#19 - 2011-12-12 11:45:03 UTC
Back in the day every one piloted amarr 7 to 8 years ago, i think that was geddons !

For years on end people piloted missile boats, as missiles didn't suffer with a tracking penilitie intill the skills came for em !

Even gallent where popular due to mass volume of drones they could have on the field... intill the nerf bat swung !



Give us mimmies some love... we still use projectiles Big smile
DaRiKavus
Mosh Pit
THE BESTICLES
#20 - 2011-12-12 16:53:05 UTC
I was with you all the way until you forgot to mention that an extra rig slot would help nerf Minmatar also.Blink


+1
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