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nope. It's not open, and I doubt it will become so. Because if it did, then you could scrape kills you have no 'right' to.

I just will have to say this seems to get asked about every couple of weeks and the few times CCP has replied they say no they won't do it. You can do a search on the forums here to find the details on why.

I did want to say something on still allowing people to add kills by the kill mails they receive also. It came up the last time there was a bigger discussion about making all kill mails public. Approximately 99% of the kills get posted already so if you get tied in with a few well maintain kill boards you don't need to allow them. Understand in most cases there are at least 4 people that have access to the kills through the API. There's the victim, their corp, the person with final blow, and their corp. As long as one of those people is running an API key driven kill board it should show up through the intra-board feeds and there's no need to use cut and pasted mails any more which as you said don't have all the info you might want. By not letting people use the cut & paste mails you also solve your other problems. Just some things to think about.

Actually did read your post the point was CCP said NO. And one of the reason I've been told that some of the main boards stop accepting feeds is because some many of the boards were accepting copy and paste kill mails that were bogus and they got/get tired of dealing with them. Last I know though they still had outgoing feeds you can receive from so you might check if they still do that.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eve+online+public+kill+mails
Second link under first result was one of them I was think of that happened just 3 months ago. There was some other threads before that I think in about the same time frame with some more in depth talk as well but that one is probably a fair summary of how it went.

Edit:
Other link you might find useful I know you said they had shutdown the feeds but I have a feeling it more likely something just changed and you'll need to update your config
http://eve-kill.net/?a=idfeed

I tried a query manually in browser for a corp and it worked just fine so you really need to check your config as the feed is still active. If you use a different killboard you'll just need to do some searching around for how they do their feeds but I'll bet they are still available. They may have turned off receiving non API mails from outside but I'm sure they still make theirs available. I know there was talk about coming up with a better feed system a year or so ago but wasn't directly involved in them so don't know if they did anything or not.

I'm not asking for hidden killmails to be made public... I'm asking for a way to verify kills that provided to me from another killboards feed are real and accurate.


Eve-Kill/Zkillboard no longer pulls from third party boards, of course they still have a feed you can pull from, i mentioned this in my first post...


:sadface: Any chance you could elaborate on why not though? I'm rather curious as to what the concerns behind releasing it are.

As Steve's scrapping concern isn't actually a risk, its more efficient to scrape every possible API/Hash combination then to try and generate every possible killmail combination, hash those, combine it with every possible API ID and scrape with that.

Dragonaire's concern that it could be used to find kills that arent public also isnt a risk because you need both the API ID and the killmail to access CREST, and having that information means the kill was made public by one of the people involved via their api.


They still have a feed that can be pulled from but they no longer pull from other boards. Which means they end up missing kills which are available on the internet but not to them directly. The reason they stopped pulling kills from other boards is because of abuse, if they could use the CREST endpoint to verify that kills provided to them by other boards are real (since these boards provide the API ID and killmail, so you have all he data needed to access the CREST feed for confirmation except for the hashing method).

I recall you suggesting somewhere that killboards could provide the CREST link they receive from users on their kills like they do with killmails so that users could manually copy the CREST url into their board to transfer the kill over to their board. However killboards would only be able to provide the link if the kill was added via the link, if the kill was pulled directly from the API they could not provide the link because they dont have it. Wouldn't being able to generate the link if you already have the information required be logical next step?

Alternatively, any chance the text mails can be upgraded to include item flags so that we can see fleet hangars, specialized bays and such on them instead of everything being lumped under 'cargo'?

Hahaha guess it was only time until someone figured it out. If you feel like sharing feel free to. :)

Think you are about to get a lot of love.

Mind posting it over here as well: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Equations

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You also need the ID of the ship which adds to the number of requests.
Since you mentioned NPC losses you could always reduce this to common ratting/missioning/whatever ships, but even then it's still a large number of requests.

Assuming you respect the rate limits, it would take about 2.5 hours per ship per character to scrape a single day for NPC losses.
While it's possible to do in a day if you're targeting a specific character on a specific day and know what types of ships they might be flying, it's not something that can easily scale and the resulting intel is extremely minimal.

I can't see anyone putting in the time and effort just to figure out what fit you have on your ratting ship.

Unless you already have the information as outlined above, you can't scrape killmails. If you do have that information, you already know everything but the killID - which is only of marginal value to those gathering intel.