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Bring back Gravi-Signatures and Delete the Ore Sites
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Lombarok
Alesto Production
#1 - 2014-08-08 05:27:55 UTC
I lifed long enough in wormholes and if you want to change some there, do this also.

To have a space where noone knows if there is a cloaked player around, and i am often doing it myself. Then re-do the mistake you made by making Gravimetric Sites into Ore Anomalies.

Don't get me wrong, for K-Space it is helpful, but for wormholes it is not !!!!

In wormholes places where you could be mining ore and/or gas should be a signature which should be only found by scanning them.
It on one side saver for the miner, and more challenging for the hunters. Cause really how great of an achievment is it to attack a helpless mining-ship in wormhole-space when you don't even have to scan the signature don't to find him. Right it is as easy as mining itself.

Wormhole space should be challenging for everyone even the hunters there, and even if it is only to scan where the mining ship is!

I am interessted about the counter-reasons why to not do that.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-08-08 05:48:41 UTC
+1

I've written about this topic on the forums and in my blog before, not having to scan down ore sites in WHs is really bad.
Note that im saying this from the perspective of someone who doesnt mine at all in any way.

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Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#3 - 2014-08-08 08:05:48 UTC
+1 having sometimes been the miner and sometimes been the hunter myself Pirate
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-08-08 08:20:38 UTC
like Jane. Earlier I have taken over both roles. Mining by myself and hunting miners. With Ore anomalies I have nearly stopped being a miner, just hunting and there have been less and less victims over time and mostly those have been Miners daytripping from HiSec. And with the new Features (everything is fine except MBSD) it will become even more risky and we will see less miners.
Now that you finally brought Reprocessing Array and Compression Array to the Wormhole community just add the necessary step to make mining a viable Profession to be done in wormhole. I think that is just logically the right step.

So definetely

+1
Winthorp
#5 - 2014-08-08 08:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
I have nagged on about this time and time again. bring back the glory days of hulk killin.

+1

EDIT: damn did i reply to an NPC Alt by default, i am so ashamed now.
Carlos Agathon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-08-08 08:33:51 UTC
+1
Since that change I have rarely ever seen miners, much less T2 barges, and I would really like to shoot some of them again.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#7 - 2014-08-08 09:02:22 UTC
+1

Yeah, please make scanning a part of the game again. Those who were good at it had a very big impact on gameplay...
Today it's just klick, warp and blab - huurrrayy, watch my kb.
Borsek's Clone
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-08-08 11:26:30 UTC
+1

I agree with the OP, and I also brought a bag of dicks for him, since everyone else somehow forgot.
Laura Agathon
Nothing on Dscan
#9 - 2014-08-08 11:28:24 UTC
+1
Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-08-08 11:32:29 UTC
Yeah +1. It's ******** how it works today.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#11 - 2014-08-08 14:40:41 UTC
+1

Winthorp wrote:
I have nagged on about this time and time again. bring back the glory days of hulk killin.

+1

EDIT: damn did i reply to an NPC Alt by default, i am so ashamed now.

And yes you did and I've got it saved in perpetuity bwahahaha

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2014-08-08 15:01:25 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
I have nagged on about this time and time again. bring back the glory days of hulk killin.

+1

EDIT: damn did i reply to an NPC Alt by default, i am so ashamed now.


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Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-08-08 15:27:21 UTC
Especially with the k162 change, ore sites need to go back to how they used to be.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#14 - 2014-08-08 22:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
I am not sure that anyone, miner or hunter or Ganker believes that ore sites are right as anomalies,

It limits miners in space so no fun for them.
It limits miners in space so no fun for the hunters.

Where is the good side?


Addition:- in addition why should any be able to be jumped to without at least a cursory scan? Making them easy to jump to to help the people who want to run them is a pretty weak justification.

People running them would far rather pop a quick scan, and have people hunting them having to be smart with probes, and you have a counter with being smart with Dscan.

Theres a good design for CCP reward active and smart player behaviour?

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Zach Lemmont
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-08-08 22:40:16 UTC
+1 here!
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-08-08 23:09:40 UTC
I want to see the opposite.

Mining shouldnt be risk free, you shouldnt get probes to warn you.

Lets make gas sites also show up as anoms.

Make it so scanning is for finding wormholes and data/relic sites.

Too many times I look at 20 sigs only to see 3/4 of them are **** gas sites.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#17 - 2014-08-08 23:44:49 UTC
Dumbest concept ever. Why present something that was old and worked!!!

+ 10

Yaay!!!!
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#18 - 2014-08-09 00:29:02 UTC
Bag o' dix for NPC alt.

+1 for something that really needs to happen.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#19 - 2014-08-09 05:15:56 UTC
Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:
I want to see the opposite.

Mining shouldnt be risk free, you shouldnt get probes to warn you.

Lets make gas sites also show up as anoms.

Make it so scanning is for finding wormholes and data/relic sites.

Too many times I look at 20 sigs only to see 3/4 of them are **** gas sites.


I go after miners myself here and then myself, but tbh there's no real fun with that.
Damn, let em mine, let em make lotsa isk. The lack of pvp in eve at all really has other reasons.
Begging for easy gank over and over does not make the game any better.
Chev Alsar
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#20 - 2014-08-09 05:40:00 UTC
CCP can we see the number on mining done in WHs before and after the change was made?

I agree that ore sites should be cosmic sigs not anomalies, there is too much risk for such ridiculously low reward.

As a former miner I would never consider sitting in one of these anomalies.
Lets get some miners back into WH space, the more content for both miners and PVPers out there the better.
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