Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you don't want to get "blowed up gud" I absolutely *do* suggest you manually pilot any ship however many jumps it takes. As far as I'm concerned, if you're on autopilot, you're really just begging for someone to take a shot at you. Might as well have your hauler loaded up with dancers and booze at that point.

wow ... that was quite a respond ... dont u wana nobel price for arguing for this post of yours? rly constructive ....

Well, if their venture doesn't have sufficient scale to warrant a freighter or outsourcing to RFF, then I don't really see what you're getting at -- Jita to Hek (your systems), up to 1b in collateral and 800k m3 only costs you 14.6 million ISK to hire RFF. that's not exactly "a lot" by any means.

Your anecdote of needing 20+ trips in an industrial, however, is a perfect example of someone who has outgrown the small-time of an industrial ship, and now needs to invest in their infrastructure. Furthermore, why are you saying someone "can't afford" a freighter that costs a billion ISK, but they can afford raw materials that run a few billion ISK at a time?


As for the rest of your cool story ... I fly a freighter manually to/from my manufacturing site regularly (as in, weekly if not more often). So don't even start with "painfully slow" industrials.


As an aside -- what's with everyone saying gankers are sociopaths? I mean, how do you know that they're not on your competition's payroll?

As someone who thoroughly enjoys PVE, I have to say that the issue isn't that High-sec is too dangerous, or that ships are too boss, or that EVE players are degenerate sociopaths, it's that there isn't enough fun stuff to do to get people's attention anymore.

The people who gank in High-sec probably would do other things instead if they existed and were fun to do. As it stands currently, EVE is boring - primarily because of "stagnation", which is actually just stability, in 0.0 making PVP hard to come by and everyone yelling about it. But mostly due to the deplorable lack of PVE fun and lucrative things to do. Missions are boring, WH's are getting turned into pvp null, mining is also boring, there are very few PVE mechanics that aren't a boring repetitive grind, even FW PVE is boring, and you only have to pay attention enough to warp off when someone shows up.

One of the last places that was great and fun and needed almost no tweaking or changes at all was WH space, and just read the dev blog of how much they are screwing that up with this coming expansion. The issue isn't that space isn't safe, it's that space is boring. If CCP added more dynamic, changing, and neat mechanics to give a huge infusion of stuff for people to do, then you wouldn't have lame idiots ganking ppl in high-sec space.

The fix to care-bear life isn't making it safer, it's adding much more content and variety of content for people to do that is PVE. Doing so will make more pilots spread out and be active in systems, active pilots means more activity in general, but very much so for PVP. Mega-corps are the issue, stabilizing and defending massive areas. Small corps are the solution, as long as they can exist without getting vaporized, they will create local content, and there will be more traffic, less blues, and more PVE and PVP for everyone.

Also if logging in in 100% security and making ISK is your thing - go into 0.0. It's the safest place in EVE right now. Find a corp deep inside the area of one of the coalitions that rents space, and join them for total security and lots of cash.

Says the alt making an antagonistic and baiting response with no on topic constructive content.

Thanks NPC alts.

If you want to mostly guarantee a safe trip then they should be flown manually both ways. If its not rewarding enough then don't do it. Simple.

If the occasional ganks while auto piloting cost you enough to make the auto pilot trips not profitable then don't do those either. Also simple.

Billion in mats for your production needs for next month or two, another billion which you have to instantly sink in buy orders, or you will have to sink it in actuall mats bought from sell orders during this month - to prepare another pile of mats for next month. Either you should set buy orders - and have enough money on the wallet to cover them - or you have to buy them from sells in systems other than main trade hubs - because buying mats from sells in trade hubs in most cases will diminish your profits to the level it won't be worth to spend time on. And if you buying from sells beyond main trade hubs, you now have to drag all those to one place, from where your freihghter will depart anyway - so another fascinating 50jmp trip in t1 specialized industrial (and they are slow as dead snail)

And this is only half of a problem. As you are using mats bought from markets (and you will have to if you are not multiboxer and just want to do industry stuff with 1 character), you are overly dependent on markets' fluctuations. You can easly find that your targeted goods start to decline in value and as you already sunk a month worth amount isk in mats to produce them, you either should stop immideately and switch to another goods (and that means that at least parts of your isks will stay sunken in mats you can't reuse for something other atm, and also that means that you will have to buy some other mats, and again in huge volumes, to decrease logistics expenses; or you will have to sell those mats, chosing between losing some significant amount of isks while selling it cheaper at current system, or first deliver them back to some trade hub to cut your loses - another logistical nightmare), or you should continue with chosen product, and then store it and wait until price will rise again, and switch to somethin else.

And even in the best case scenario, you will still have to sell what you manufactured, before those money spent on mats will return to your vallet. So, in this best case, we have several billions sunk in mats and buy orders, and another several billions in finished goods - and should have some financial buffer in case something happen - another several billions.

And don't forget about some other activities, like pvping or ratting in some unhospitable spaces - they also require some liquid cash to cover your losses.

So, to start in industry your way anyone will require around 7-10 bills of isks on the wallet. Thats pretty outrageous requirment for young indusrtialists out there. Yea, anyone can easly farm that much in several months in HS, but it's simply rediculous. I don't want to run LV4s for half a year to start with spending billions on mats, I want to start making my first baby steps like this month already. You way implies just another useless timesink CCP tries to get rid of atm.

I don't know what you actually use your freighter for, but it seems you either don't manufacture what you are transporting, or you never started your manufacture career from the baby steps(or it happened so long ago that you don't even remember), or you just have an army of alts who provide you with all mats needed. Like having at most 1bil on your wallet and can afford only buy mats for 1-2 weeks ahead. Then you will face those fascinating trips in tanked epithal from hek to jita, 40 minutes in each direction, when even doing it with autopilot will bore you to death. Yes, ofc I do it with autopilot, because I don't want to become another raging MMO TV news star while killing my neighbours and my family after playing "Warp to gate online" for several days.

That, or blowing up spaceships is fun.





That, or blowing up spaceships is fun.





So, you would rather that I blow you up for profit, than blow you up just because it's fun?

You have issues. At the forefront of which is, "why do you even play EVE at all?"

Videogames are not real. I should not have to explain that to an adult.

i think i can dream up a compromise here

on the risk reward idea make true high sec you know the 1.0 systems make them and them only gank proof, this will give new players a risk free environment to learn the game.

if you want to mine risk free hell mine that veldspar in 1.0 system to your hearts content, freighters well you still got it rough slow warp speeds and no defence against bumping well except for logging off but at least you got a few systems that your safe in.