Crime & Punishment

Confirming definitely not me, though I definitely shared his desire for additional funs.



This part is actually entirely role-reversed, based on all the evidence I've seen. RvB decided to end the war early, RvB initiated the convo with GSE, and RvB had more to lose than to gain. Alex is just a gregarious guy that put in the surrender offers himself; he knows what he wants, and he was happy enough getting that.



Who knows what would have happened, in the end. Perhaps someday we'll find out. RvB's superior numbers and unified organization vs. the mercenary aggregate's superior average in SP and resources . . . would be bound to be a big fight either way it went.




I didn't actually know who that was until now, but I guess I'll sub and read his stuff and see what it's all about huh.

Do yourself a favour and don't do that. You can ask tora about Gevlon if you're curious, I'm sure he has a lot of stories to tell.

As for why GSE ended the war, we're all entitled to our opinion. The only guy who really knows is the man who pushed the surrender button: alex. The rest of us are guessing at best based on what he told us. If he did decide to "let us live" after loosing all his alliance did, then he's the most generous man in eve. And I admit it might have been part of his motivation, but I'll still disagree that we had much of anything to lose. Any further conversation on that point is probably going to be sterile however.

We live in the same world as you, EVE is always surprising me what a small place it is. We've just not been too active the last couple years. Go back to 2009-2011, maybe during the great plague-wars of 2012, perhaps people would be more likely to recognize us.

I don't mind either way. It's fun to be feared, and it's useful to be underestimated, unknown and ignored.



Depending on how much you actually value POCOs, yeah. Individually they're pretty cheap and useless for all the fuss people buzz about them.

Plague wars? I have no idea what those are, but I'm kinda curious. I was active during the time you mention, and a name like that should have stuck with me. Got anything I can read on it? Unless you mean what we (RvB) used to call space aids? When uncontrollable wars were spreading through highsec? If that's the case we had so many wars back then they all blurred together.

Not highsec, everywhere. It was a time shortly after the revision of the war mechanics, when the sub-war of a corporation leaving its alliance would end not when the parent war was going to end (as it did prior and as it does again now), but a full 7 days from the date of their departure--refreshing the timer. If said corporation then joined a different alliance, the war would then be against that alliance with the same, new duration. Any corp that left this new alliance in that week would repeat the process.

For a mere couple hundred million to dec a midsize renter alliance, you could have free and innumerable self-propagating wars against practically every major nullsec alliance for many weeks at a time. Our alliance of not 2 dozen people had ~15k war targets at any given time and amassed some 300+ wars total in a span of about 8 weeks, killing more value in ISK in that timespan than I earned that year IRL, a solid chunk of it creditable to Freight Club and their renter pipe rampage. 'Twas a fun time.

But zeus.. isn't to exactly avoid this side effect that you demand all recruits to be daltonic?