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Venture Kills Competition - Brought to you by Code.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#301 - 2014-08-08 11:38:13 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Seriously? Anything you don't like is griefing now?


That's generally how it works with gamers these days. You should see the stuff they complain about on the ESO forum - it makes Eve's whinebears look positively almost-sane.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#302 - 2014-08-08 12:40:06 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
I am pretty sure blowing up space ships in a game about blowing up space ships is not griefing anymore than shooting someone in a FPS is griefing.

You'd be right if this was an event about blowing up any spaceship, but it's about targeting a particular one, the one ship new players are most likely to be flying. Some of the previous posters seem to be saying that this is a game about blowing up spaceships, so why are they mining anyways? Probably because they were drawn to the game by the latest major expansion that was entirely based around industry in every way. It stands to reason that new players would be doing industrial things if that was the motivation for them to try the game in the first place.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#303 - 2014-08-08 12:42:39 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Seriously? Anything you don't like is griefing now?


That's generally how it works with gamers these days. You should see the stuff they complain about on the ESO forum - it makes Eve's whinebears look positively almost-sane.

Immature stuff like calling people 'whinebears' is part of the reason why there is so much toxic BS about the issue of ganking all over the forums.
Ashley Fera
Red Cross Of New Eden
#304 - 2014-08-08 12:57:33 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Ashley Fera wrote:
Hello this is Ashley Frea,

I speak for the people that lost a ship due to not understanding game mechanics. If you feel your Venture was lost due to the Code, or anyone that lost a hull due to EvE players participating in this event please send me the kill mail via eve mail and after my board approves the mail, you will most likely receive a ISK reimbursement to comp it*.

This is a get the players to try again program. My program is funded via personal Plex. I have done this in the past when I felt the cause to retain subscriptions is needed I accept all venture loses for review.

All comments and concerns can be eve mailed to me.

Ashley Frea

*payout's are subject to hull and modules. Ore holds, or bait cargo will not be reimbursed. You will receive the hull and module reimbursement based situation, and how the gank was performed, all payout are subject to major trade hub trading.


If this is legit then I salute you, sir, especially if you're including advice on how to avoid being ganked.


There is nothing to not be legit about. I ask for no ISK. I do not ask for help. You submit a killmill via evemail to prove you are legit you get a payout. I just think that sometimes giving that person that lost a ship the one payout might be enough to keep them from uninstalling eve and trying just one more time!
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#305 - 2014-08-08 13:13:18 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
Immature stuff like calling people 'whinebears' is part of the reason why there is so much toxic BS about the issue of ganking all over the forums.


Balderdash. The "toxic BS" comes from people who feel entitled to play a multiplayer game without other players being able to interact with them in a non-consentual way, even though this is something that has always and explicity been part of Eve.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#306 - 2014-08-08 13:34:14 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Immature stuff like calling people 'whinebears' is part of the reason why there is so much toxic BS about the issue of ganking all over the forums.


Balderdash. The "toxic BS" comes from people who feel entitled to play a multiplayer game without other players being able to interact with them in a non-consentual way, even though this is something that has always and explicity been part of Eve.

Well... +1 for "Balderdash" at least.
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#307 - 2014-08-08 15:46:15 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
This isn't about miners getting ganked, stop diverting. This is about hundreds of rookies being griefed.


No it isn't. Stop believing every stupid **** you read and start thinking.


LOL i was in Amarr yesterday. Some CODE douches shoots ventures there.

So i grabbed my venture and flew to belt...

3 CODE guys or they followers just passed by me,

Few minutes later , they posted kill mail of venture on local. Victim was 6 day old char... next few hours was the same. (3 day old, 2 week old victims etc).

OK, maybe im too old char to be shoot by CODE., So i logged to my NPC corp alt (1 year old).. It was the same, CODE guys just passed by. They were obviously searching for newbies only.

So NO this is not about venture kill contest This competition IS ABOUT KILLING NEWBIES. Its pure fact. So stop throwing this sh*tty propaganda and stop lie to everyone here. Roll


No it's not, you just read into things. They didn't you were there, or you would have died gloriously. Next time post in local that you're in a Venture sitting at belt x and see what happens.


LOL You know that i wrote it on local ?

here is my log (you can verify it from other dudes logs sitting in Amarr on that day and time)

[ 2014.08.07 14:07:32 ] TharOkha > hey CODE.. im mining in Amarr VIII - Asteroid Belt 3 a
[ 2014.08.07 14:07:36 ] TharOkha > and i dont have a permit
[ 2014.08.07 14:07:41 ] TharOkha > oh my what nao?

and you know what happened next?....NOOOTHIIIING Big smile

Some random CODE. member just warped to belt and flew off after few seconds. (realizing that im not newbie)

All Amarr local just LOLed on how pathetic and lame the CODE and it supporters are. :D

The simple fact that they ignore older players in ventures and that they focus only on few days old newbies makes this competition and CODE.-------- EVE FAIL OF THE YEAR Big smileBig smile



From what I can tell is they did not engage a bait venture. Sounds like OP-Sec working at its finest.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

TharOkha
0asis Group
#308 - 2014-08-08 15:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Anal Canal wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
TharOkha wrote:

LOL i was in Amarr yesterday. Some CODE douches shoots ventures there.

So i grabbed my venture and flew to belt...

3 CODE guys or they followers just passed by me,

Few minutes later , they posted kill mail of venture on local. Victim was 6 day old char... next few hours was the same. (3 day old, 2 week old victims etc).

OK, maybe im too old char to be shoot by CODE., So i logged to my NPC corp alt (1 year old).. It was the same, CODE guys just passed by. They were obviously searching for newbies only.

So NO this is not about venture kill contest This competition IS ABOUT KILLING NEWBIES. Its pure fact. So stop throwing this sh*tty propaganda and stop lie to everyone here. Roll


No it's not, you just read into things. They didn't you were there, or you would have died gloriously. Next time post in local that you're in a Venture sitting at belt x and see what happens.


LOL You know that i wrote it on local ?

here is my log (you can verify it from other dudes logs sitting in Amarr on that day and time)

[ 2014.08.07 14:07:32 ] TharOkha > hey CODE.. im mining in Amarr VIII - Asteroid Belt 3 a
[ 2014.08.07 14:07:36 ] TharOkha > and i dont have a permit
[ 2014.08.07 14:07:41 ] TharOkha > oh my what nao?

and you know what happened next?....NOOOTHIIIING Big smile

Some random CODE. member just warped to belt and flew off after few seconds. (realizing that im not newbie)

All Amarr local just LOLed on how pathetic and lame the CODE and it supporters are. :D

The simple fact that they ignore older players in ventures and that they focus only on few days old newbies makes this competition and CODE.-------- EVE FAIL OF THE YEAR Big smileBig smile



From what I can tell is they did not engage a bait venture. Sounds like OP-Sec working at its finest.


Please re-read my posts again, especially those you are replying to (I underlined it in this post just for you). I logged to my npc alt (1year old) without any smack-talk in local. Your followers just passed by me in belt and ignored me when they realized that im not just a few days old char.

That just proves that you and your followers are chickens Blink and that this LOL contest is just about bullying newbies. (Venture hunt my a**)
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#309 - 2014-08-08 18:09:39 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Special prize for killing newborns in hisec, seriously?


Yeah, such elite PvP against ships that essentially can't fight back and really can't be tanked all that well.
Kill MeGently
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#310 - 2014-08-08 22:00:19 UTC
So can we get some information on the current leader board in the event?
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#311 - 2014-08-09 05:03:30 UTC
Black Canary Jnr wrote:
Quote:
Personally, I have disliked Ventures ever since I saw the artwork for them, which doesn't fit with the rest of EVE's ship models. Also, they were intended to be used for lowsec/nullsec ninja-mining, but have been abused by people who AFK mine in highsec instead.


Amen James Amen. Death to all the Hi-sec botters in caldari space, we are coming for you!


Actually, the Prospect is the one designed for ninja mining. Gee, sorry you weren't consulted on the design of a mining frigate.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#312 - 2014-08-09 05:20:10 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
You know what else is not a fight and not fun? Mining. Oh and indie crap.

Yet players pay subs and log on all the time to do these things.

Perhaps you shouldn't try and judge what is and is not fun for others.


I'm not judging...but shooting a mining frigate isn't combat. And it's not a fight no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish it to be.


True enough, but in a war, what should be a priority target? Deep strikes on the enemy's logistics area. Cut off their supply, they don't have ships, ammo and fittings to fight. Pretty much what we did in WWII to Germany. Bombed the crap out of their production capability and strangled their ability to fight.

Amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics.
Subject-111
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#313 - 2014-08-09 05:33:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Subject-111
I quote a line from The CODE:

"Without rules, there is no such thing as freedom"

Ironic.

This rule should be applied to the same individuals that "enforce" them. It would be fun to hear the squeaking, for a change.

CCP is failing by letting things like this happen, imo. Taking away someone's freedom for someone else's spoiled enjoyment is hardly a right decision.
And by letting this event happen, once more the red line is pushed a little further. More then an internet spaceship game, more and more EVE is becoming a sociopath and mass paranoia incubator.

There are plenty of internet spaceships to kill in New Eden, but these individuals choose the easy prey ventures. And call it "PVP".
I dont see how this is much different from beating up babies, old people or individuals with disabilities.
Ethically, this is gross. But we all know that. Its the fact that it's all about internet spaceships that changes the game, because the individual behind it has no face.

Good job on letting unscrupulous individuals be the kings of your internet spacephip game once more, by the way. They probably laugh just as much at the lack of control over your game's player base actions and excessive leniency, as they do when they blow up internet ships played by someone that probably doesnt even know how to use them properly yet, let alone know they can file a complaint. That will most likely be dismissed due to lack of evidence.

CCP is lenient, but these individuals are not. Something's missing here. Dunno, kinda think there should be some sort of mutualism here.

These are the same individuals that exploit Eve's weaknesses over and over, the EULA might one of them.

Now come and get my Ventures, i got plenty.
And by the way, i will surely have lolz to spare by the many "baptism by concord" you'll all have, who knows, kill me enough and you may even get promoted to janitor.

"- Red Pen. On my desk there is a sheet of paper. In my desk there is a drawer. Inside this drawer is a Red Pen. If a miner commits an egregious offense or series of offenses, his name will be written on the paper with the Red Pen. If your name is written in Red Pen, the cost of an indulgence will be trebled and you will be at increased risk of bumping."

Get that ready, you'll need it.
Ill shoot at "your" internet space rocks, get my internet spaceship blown up, watch you get one more "Baptism by Concord", and loot your worthless wrecks.
However, just as you know how to draw Concord away from internet asteroid belts, i know how to draw them in, and i will surely laugh at your inability do do anything while my puny venture is guarded by the internet spaceship police. Maybe you'll have to get a better, more expensive internet ship fit with better, more expensive internet modules to alpha my puny Ventures?

Anyways, i quoted something that belongs on the eternal book of mighty lolz.
Pure roleplaying stupidity.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#314 - 2014-08-09 05:38:09 UTC
Tyyler DURden wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
People Die, Antigankers Cry and the Code just keeps on Winning!

Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

Be a part of the content creation this August!

Why does code continue to let you speak for them?


Probably because in the land of the illiterate, the half-literate is king.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#315 - 2014-08-09 06:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorinia Sanford
Thought occurs a way to troll this contest is to not fly a venture at all.

Instead, if you have the skills, tank an Occator or Mastodon, slap a pair of Mining Laser II's on it and mine in newbie systems for S&G's. Properly fitted, they can survive a suicide gank long enough for Concord to do their thing. Or barring that, fit a T1 industrial with turret capability for the same thing. Sure, you can't tank 'em as well and their crappy on the throughput, but it's not a venture and it won't count towards this contest.

Or hell, if you're real adventurous, do like they did in the old days. Mine in a battleship. P
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#316 - 2014-08-09 06:03:51 UTC
Megaera Erinnyes wrote:
So you see?

The savior of high-sec is not like regular eve pilots who care only about the amount of SP or isk you have managed to accumulate. No, James 315 sees your true inner value!

Even the humblest day old newbie, timidly venturing out of the rookie systems for the first time is a treasure in his eyes. All can be saved, you need only accept James 315 into your heart.

Truly, the blessed agents will be converting many a new player to a new way of thinking this month, many a miracle will be witnessed. This contest will be the catalyst for the creation of an even greater game. James 315 be praised!


You really need to get outside more.
Subject-111
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#317 - 2014-08-09 06:11:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Subject-111
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Megaera Erinnyes wrote:
So you see?

The savior of high-sec is not like regular eve pilots who care only about the amount of SP or isk you have managed to accumulate. No, James 315 sees your true inner value!

Even the humblest day old newbie, timidly venturing out of the rookie systems for the first time is a treasure in his eyes. All can be saved, you need only accept James 315 into your heart.

Truly, the blessed agents will be converting many a new player to a new way of thinking this month, many a miracle will be witnessed. This contest will be the catalyst for the creation of an even greater game. James 315 be praised!


You really need to get outside more.


Dunno, maybe that's the problem.

It's a fault in the human genetic code. James is the Alpha. And he's an idiot. The fault in the genetic code leads some people to take this Alpha idiocy as an example to follow.
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#318 - 2014-08-09 06:19:32 UTC
Subject-111 wrote:


However, just as you know how to draw Concord away from internet asteroid belts, i know how to draw them in, and i will surely laugh at your inability do do anything while my puny venture is guarded by the internet spaceship police. Maybe you'll have to get a better, more expensive internet ship fit with better, more expensive internet modules to alpha my puny Ventures?

Anyways, i quoted something that belongs on the eternal book of mighty lolz.
Pure roleplaying stupidity.



From my understanding of the mechanism of how CONCORD is meant to perform this is considered a game mechanics exploit since CONCORD is to dish out retribution and not act as a protector. Again I might be wrong in this, but I am confident that if you were wanted dead that not even CONCORD could protect you.

Regardless, seems like everyone is enjoying this contest as much as me!

Current tallies: Way to many for me to keep counting right now, but top three are over 50 kills. But I am bad at math so lets just make up numbers. 1941, 83.5, something else, a prime number.... We are counting but it takes a fair amount of work to do. I am willing to bet that it takes longer to verify, count, and tally the venture KM than the actual aggression did.

Keep up the good work guys!

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#319 - 2014-08-09 06:20:36 UTC
wait.... you mean some people actually use these things to mine?
I thought they were the awoxer's whaling vessel of choice.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Subject-111
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#320 - 2014-08-09 06:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Subject-111
Anal Canal wrote:
Subject-111 wrote:


However, just as you know how to draw Concord away from internet asteroid belts, i know how to draw them in, and i will surely laugh at your inability do do anything while my puny venture is guarded by the internet spaceship police. Maybe you'll have to get a better, more expensive internet ship fit with better, more expensive internet modules to alpha my puny Ventures?

Anyways, i quoted something that belongs on the eternal book of mighty lolz.
Pure roleplaying stupidity.



From my understanding of the mechanism of how CONCORD is meant to perform this is considered a game mechanics exploit since CONCORD is to dish out retribution and not act as a protector. Again I might be wrong in this, but I am confident that if you were wanted dead that not even CONCORD could protect you.

Regardless, seems like everyone is enjoying this contest as much as me!

Current tallies: Way to many for me to keep counting right now, but top three are over 50 kills. But I am bad at math so lets just make up numbers. 1941, 83.5, something else, a prime number.... We are counting but it takes a fair amount of work to do. I am willing to bet that it takes longer to verify, count, and tally the venture KM than the actual aggression did.

Keep up the good work guys!


How can this be an exploit? If i get ganked, won't Concord show up and hang around for a bit, chat about wife and kids and stuff?
About what they do while they''re still around, it's something i cannot control, of course.
You are quick sharpening your "exploit" blade, aren't you? You must have plenty of experience.