Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1) L5's + bombers
2) Pirate faction missions
3) Tengu
4)Incursions

Except you know the fact that it's incredibly inefficient and pointless.

Granted it takes some skill, but you can do L3s in a cruiser. The Caracal is pretty good at them; the Drake is much better.

What about flying missions in low or null sec? There's more risk and there is a greater payout. Dodging other players will give you way more of a challenge than any pre-scripted AI will.

i think the idea in eve is, that there are counters for any tactic. so the enemy brings a BS, what do you do? ... bring stuff that is optimized to kill battleships (e.g. stealth bombers). any mission filled with those will be a tanking nightmare. it would be much smarter then to use a smaller ship to counter them. thinking along these lines...

I am not certain that all of the above posts have really understood my suggestion.

The idea is not to add ship restricted missions to the existing lineup available from agents, but to add new level agents. Adding the missions to the existing agent mission lists would just be forcing people who want to fly bigger ships into smaller ships in the same way that the current system forces people into bigger ones.

The other connection that I am suppressed some people don’t seem to be making is that this thread isn’t about listing everything people can do other than grinding missions. I think we all know what’s out there in eve and most of those activities are more about spending isk than generating it, or generating it in a less efficient fashion.

The intention of this proposition is to reduce the tedium of mission grinding for isk by providing the player with a greater range of ships in which to complete them while maintaining the current ‘isk to time’ balance. It is also intended to allow players with more specialized SP investments, who play eve for other reasons then grinding missions, the opportunity to use them when they need isk or standing increases without the SP necessary to fly battleships efficiently.

This is not intended to be a high sec buff. There is no reason these missions should not be available elsewhere and may in fact encourage players to leave high sec as they would feel more confident doing so in smaller ships.

I believe this proposition targets some of the largest demographics in eve and I do not believe it should take a very grate amount of CCP resources to implement. No new models or textures are needed, and most if not all of the necessary coding can just be copy and pasted from existing missions.

I respect the opinions of those who disagree with this idea’s implementation but so far the only premise behind such opinions seems to be that my own premise is wrong. That premise is this:

All eve players require isk.
The vast majority of isk is generated through grinding level 4s
Grinding level 4’s limits the types of ships we fly.
A wider selection of ships is better than a narrower selection of ships.

I can understand why you may feel compelled to disagree on the grounds that there are other ways in eve to make isk. This is certainly true. But my understanding is that while these ways exist a huge majority of players still pursue the mission path, and most of those who do not either already use it to supplement their income or would do if doing them in a wider range of ships was possible.

Given the low investment to implement this idea and the large potential gain in player satisfaction I feel that it has merit. Thus the existence of this thread. My thanks to all those who have expressed their opinions on it so far.

I take it you never done:

- Incursions, where you see up to full Cruiser sized gangs(Legions), because this actually is the most effective for some sites and most fleets I fly in are mixed for the reason that it improves overall kill speed efficiency of the gang
- WH, where BS are unpopular by her huge sigs, low resists and big mass what limits your travel ability's
- exploration/plexing where again smaller ships are preferred for the mobility advantage in dangerous space and the lot better tanking potential of the low sig, higher resists and the higher speed, tanking in a Ishtar/Zealot is piece of cake compared doing the same in a Domi/Abaddon for many of the sites
- epic Arcs, that are limited to Frig size and mostly done in ceptors, af or faction frigs

This are the places where you fly smaller ships with high SP and the full understanding how to range, sig and speed tank. Not "Because I'm cool and I can." but since it is the optimal tool for the job. L4 is by no means the PVE endgame and BS are so common for them because you don't need a real tank here, outside of some blitzing(try a Blockade in a T3 by just killing the triggers and the key BS in the last wave or a damsel in distress by just killing the structure while tanking the rest it is very good ISK\h by the LP).

The people that don't want to fly BS for L4 simply use BCs, HAC, T3 or CS and the ships can pull off quite reasonable ISK\h if you gank fit them and blitz a lot.

There are also lots of L5 Missions where HACs\T3 perform a lot better than BS, because this missions actually require a bit of tank(2k+ in many cases).

Cruisers yes. But never the frigs. Assault frigs are the most underpowered ships in the game. The are too slow and don't put out nearly enough dps. (even though thats supposed to be their role) Fix this, and you will be able to effectively run LV3-4s in assault frigs.(as well as PVP in them like you should be able to)