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stoicfaux
#21 - 2014-08-07 22:42:09 UTC
Well, I've heard that misogyny cut the player population by almost half. Maybe we should try misandry?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Paranoid Loyd
#22 - 2014-08-07 22:43:55 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
i think EVE should become more normal, more like WoW and other mmorgs. I think EVE should welcome new players instead of driving them away.

You want to run me out of EVE? Im in wormhole space and not hard to find, come at me bro, wardeck me with your 16 lifetime highsec suicide gank kills, see how far you get.
I think you should go back to WoW.

Given your terrible and often poisonous posting, I'm surprised your corp hasn't run you out of Eve themselves for making them, and WH folk in general, look bad.


Just ignore him, he's still bitter about getting his autopiloting Tengu ganked.
Apparently he thinks anyone who kills something in Hi-Sec is a suicide ganker.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-08-07 22:48:18 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Well, I've heard that misogyny cut the player population by almost half. Maybe we should try misandry?


Since clearly no women play Eve, would this mean we require a period of self-loathing?
Martin Corwin
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-08-07 22:55:11 UTC
Glathull wrote:
You know who I'm talking about. The ones who think EvE should be more like other games. The ones who hate it when consequences occur. The ones who make the game worse for those of us who enjoy how EvE is the crazy hot red headed **** that you can't predict or control. You just have sex with her when she lets you and put up with the crazy because that's who she is.

How do we get rid of the people that want to take my crazy red headed **** away from me and turn her into a Stepford wife?

Try Molly Millions aka Sally Shears next time. That way I would actually have understood what you wanted to express without resorting to google and trying to guess what the forum's censor software hid.
(Spoiler: 'Gur fxl nobir gur cbeg jnf gur pbybe bs gryrivfvba, gharq gb n qrnq punaary.')
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Step one: war dec anyone who has to google Stepford wife.

So apparently you want to get rid of anyone who's not into anglophone popular literature. Sounds rather stupid to me.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#25 - 2014-08-07 22:57:33 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Well, I've heard that misogyny cut the player population by almost half. Maybe we should try misandry?


Since clearly no women play Eve, would this mean we require a period of self-loathing?


Well that wouldn't help much. Anyone who plays EVE for long enough hates themselves already.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-08-07 22:59:36 UTC
I know the topic is sarcastic, but I don't think we should try to get rid of people. People should make their own choices, and if an entertainment product like EVE is not for them, then so be it.

What we shouldn't pursue is a culture that encourages people to quit.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Cap ITal
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-08-07 23:47:40 UTC
Op is an idiot.
Forums are full of idiots, To many pro tears only gankers and Industry only carebears.
To few rounded players who understand all aspects of eve.

For example. Cloak timer on ships with cloak + cyno fitted. so only active players can gather free intel and be in strategically valuable positions to drop cyno beacons. = Fair balance

Greifer response: No there's no harm what so ever in cloaked ships in your space go about your business and let us exploit timezones and rl to mean we can drop on targets out of your prime time at will. = stupid one sided view. Preserves only the game-play they take advantage of.

Carebear response: I want to mine with freedom at all times. why can people come to my space and shoot me at will. Remove cloak.... Make them be scan detectable. Make them use fuel make them unable to fit cyno. = one sided and removes a game style completely.


See unfortunately there is to much immature morons around who's only concern is them self and not the playability of the game for everyone
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2014-08-08 00:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Cap ITal wrote:
Op is an idiot.
Forums are full of idiots, To many pro tears only gankers and Industry only carebears.
You do realise that most if not all gankers also indulge in the other aspects of Eve, like industry, don't you?
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To few rounded players who understand all aspects of eve.
You're obviously not one of them.

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For example. Cloak timer on ships with cloak + cyno fitted. so only active players can gather free intel and be in strategically valuable positions to drop cyno beacons. = Fair balance.
AFK cloakers or cynos can't gather free intel or call in hotdrops from strategically important positions, because by being AFK they're not at their computer to do so Shocked

Only active players can do this, therefore your entire premise is flawed, and your suggestion superfluous.

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Greifer response: No there's no harm what so ever in cloaked ships in your space go about your business and let us exploit timezones and rl to mean we can drop on targets out of your prime time at will. = stupid one sided view. Preserves only the game-play they take advantage of.

Carebear response: I want to mine with freedom at all times. why can people come to my space and shoot me at will. Remove cloak.... Make them be scan detectable. Make them use fuel make them unable to fit cyno. = one sided and removes a game style completely.
Firstly, it's not griefing, it's legitimate game play, griefing is not allowed and will get you banned. Secondly carebears should be aware by now that Eve is a PvP game at heart, 11 years of amusing stories and major media coverage should have made that blindingly obvious. There is no safe space.

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See unfortunately there is to much immature morons around who's only concern is them self and not the playability of the game for everyone
You proved this, by posting.

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Paranoid Loyd
#29 - 2014-08-08 00:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Sibyyl wrote:
What we shouldn't pursue is a culture that encourages people to quit.


The problem is the culture we should be creating/have can easily be misconstrued as a culture that encourages people to quit.

If you come from other MMOs and just nibble at the edges (only do the things you are used to doing in other MMOs) you start to get a misconception of what the game really is. If you keep on nibbling long enough you reach the point that you become a viable target (meaning you have stuff other people want). If you are not prepared for this or have lead yourself to believe that you are in a game where people won't **** all over you if you give them the opportunity, you get really frustrated/angry and find yourself at a crossroad, you either give up or you learn from your mistakes and try again. This is how it should be but again is easily misconstrued by perception (mainly reading these forums and all of the idiotic blogs/media available).

The reality is, this game is not for everyone. So player retention will always be difficult.

If people really care about new player retention just like anything else in this game we need to do it ourselves. Adpot a noob! I have a few I have been giving pointers to, I let them play as they want but am sure to inform them of the realities of the game as opposed to telling them how they should play.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#30 - 2014-08-08 00:16:22 UTC
Cap ITal wrote:
*snipped out afk cloaking whine


Reported for trying to derail the thread, such as it is.

Go cry about cloaking devices somewhere else. Not that it will do you any good.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-08-08 01:28:07 UTC
As part of the NPE make ppl visit GD
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-08-08 02:06:22 UTC
Generally the EVE tradition of "you will be bullied and humiliated and vilefied until you become a head prefect yourself at which time your role will be to bully and humiliate and vilefy all new players without fear favor or prejudice " suceeds very well.


Organisations like The Angel Project are however being helpful to new EVE players. This may encourage player retention.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#33 - 2014-08-08 02:23:52 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I know the topic is sarcastic, but I don't think we should try to get rid of people. People should make their own choices, and if an entertainment product like EVE is not for them, then so be it.

What we shouldn't pursue is a culture that encourages people to quit.


Are you sure? I'm seeing some awfully good quitting candidates in this thread.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#34 - 2014-08-08 02:39:14 UTC
For the 15th million thread, CCP has to do nothing more than continue on their current plans to get rid of Eve players. The PCu and sub rate proves that.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#35 - 2014-08-08 02:42:51 UTC
Yeah, but how can we make it more and faster?

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-08-08 02:52:24 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
What we shouldn't pursue is a culture that encourages people to quit.


The problem is the culture we should be creating/have can easily be misconstrued as a culture that encourages people to quit.

If you come from other MMOs and just nibble at the edges (only do the things you are used to doing in other MMOs) you start to get a misconception of what the game really is. If you keep on nibbling long enough you reach the point that you become a viable target (meaning you have stuff other people want). If you are not prepared for this or have lead yourself to believe that you are in a game where people won't **** all over you if you give them the opportunity, you get really frustrated/angry and find yourself at a crossroad, you either give up or you learn from your mistakes and try again. This is how it should be but again is easily misconstrued by perception (mainly reading these forums and all of the idiotic blogs/media available).

The reality is, this game is not for everyone. So player retention will always be difficult.

I think that if we as players contribute to the atmosphere of EVE being brutal, unforgiving, and infinitely complex I think that's fine. It just means that a better caliber of player will stick around.

What I mean is this can easily turn into a hazing environment, which I don't think is good to do to other human beings. People shouldn't have to feel like they pass some cryptic social test just to belong.

I think a lot of people (mistakenly) think that these two things are the same..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-08-08 02:55:07 UTC
Cap ITal wrote:
For example. Cloak timer on ships with cloak + cyno fitted. so only active players can gather free intel and be in strategically valuable positions to drop cyno beacons. = Fair balance

Greifer response: No there's no harm what so ever in cloaked ships in your space go about your business and let us exploit timezones and rl to mean we can drop on targets out of your prime time at will. = stupid one sided view. Preserves only the game-play they take advantage of.

Carebear response: I want to mine with freedom at all times. why can people come to my space and shoot me at will. Remove cloak.... Make them be scan detectable. Make them use fuel make them unable to fit cyno. = one sided and removes a game style completely.

My personal problem with cloaking is that it inevitably leads to Klingons landing on grid.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#38 - 2014-08-08 02:56:11 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
What we shouldn't pursue is a culture that encourages people to quit.


The problem is the culture we should be creating/have can easily be misconstrued as a culture that encourages people to quit.

If you come from other MMOs and just nibble at the edges (only do the things you are used to doing in other MMOs) you start to get a misconception of what the game really is. If you keep on nibbling long enough you reach the point that you become a viable target (meaning you have stuff other people want). If you are not prepared for this or have lead yourself to believe that you are in a game where people won't **** all over you if you give them the opportunity, you get really frustrated/angry and find yourself at a crossroad, you either give up or you learn from your mistakes and try again. This is how it should be but again is easily misconstrued by perception (mainly reading these forums and all of the idiotic blogs/media available).

The reality is, this game is not for everyone. So player retention will always be difficult.

I think that if we as players contribute to the atmosphere of EVE being brutal, unforgiving, and infinitely complex I think that's fine. It just means that a better caliber of player will stick around.

What I mean is this can easily turn into a hazing environment, which I don't think is good to do to other human beings. People shouldn't have to feel like they pass some cryptic social test just to belong.

I think a lot of people (mistakenly) think that these two things are the same..


Hazing is for haters.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#39 - 2014-08-08 02:57:05 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

I think that if we as players contribute to the atmosphere of EVE being brutal, unforgiving, and infinitely complex I think that's fine. It just means that a better caliber of player will stick around.

What I mean is this can easily turn into a hazing environment, which I don't think is good to do to other human beings. People shouldn't have to feel like they pass some cryptic social test just to belong.

I think a lot of people (mistakenly) think that these two things are the same..


Perhaps this is the language barrier talking, but would you please lay out how these are supposed to be different?

Driving away the wrong kind of player and encouraging the right kind are very often one and the same. EVE's very design often serves to drive away the wrong kind of player.

Or are you speaking more philosophically, about not accidentally driving away the right kind of player?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-08-08 03:00:20 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Well, I've heard that misogyny cut the player population by almost half. Maybe we should try misandry?


Since clearly no women play Eve, would this mean we require a period? (snipped)

The way people *****, whine, and moan around here about anything and everything, you'd think they were on a constant rag...
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