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corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-08-07 15:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: corbexx
I've not posted in the feedback yet. but don't worry. I am reading it all and taking some stuff from it.

I'm pretty happy in general with most the stuff.

But just so people know I do have a couple of concerns.

Mass/distance is my huge concern. Is a couple really good posts on this.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4883891#post4883891

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4883288#post4883288

as well as a really good blog on it by Rhavas here.

http://interstellarprivateer.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/wormholes-not-gates/

The other ones being static not being opened, which ahs been raised already so devs know about that already.

Frig wormholes being a handy way for big groups to dunk on smaller low class groups.

I'm going to give stuff a couple days and then sort a nice big post for the csm forums about the stuff.

i've been popping on a fair few comms to chat to people about it. But if anyone woudl like me to come chat to them on there comms just send me a mail and I'll try and sort out time to get on your comms and speak to you or listen to your concerns.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2014-08-07 15:12:01 UTC
We definitely need more feedback threads.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-08-07 15:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: corbexx
Yeah maybe I should have used a different title this isn't really about feedback, but more about what I'm going to do about it.

Just changed the title.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Marox Calendale
Xynodyne
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-08-07 15:18:39 UTC
@ corbexx: Are you also interested in greater ideas for further WH patches or still just for the little things?
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-08-07 15:23:21 UTC
Marox Calendale wrote:
@ corbexx: Are you also interested in greater ideas for further WH patches or still just for the little things?


interested in any idea, If there pants on head ******** i'll tell you that though.

You can mail stuff to me or post in little things thread. My condensed list of that stuff also has medium and big things on as some people don't seem to know the difference between little and big. but it doesn't stop them being good ideas.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#6 - 2014-08-07 15:24:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Edited as it's been in the original threads.

Hearty thank you for Corbexx. You've been a just as transparent with the community than.. Well anybody else have been in the past.

We owe ya one hell of a Xmas gift.

Yaay!!!!
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2014-08-07 15:27:10 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Marox Calendale wrote:
@ corbexx: Are you also interested in greater ideas for further WH patches or still just for the little things?


interested in any idea, If there pants on head ******** i'll tell you that though.

You can mail stuff to me or post in little things thread. My condensed list of that stuff also has medium and big things on as some people don't seem to know the difference between little and big. but it doesn't stop them being good ideas.


Can you ask CCP to remove the timer between posts on the WH forums? I've almost broken my keyboard in rage when I have to wait 30 seconds between posts. I would ALMOST say that my freedom is being violated. The world must hear what I have to say.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-08-07 15:35:45 UTC
Glad your taking the time to listen to people, and keeping up to date on all the feedback threads.

I appreciate that.

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Missy Bunnz
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#9 - 2014-08-07 15:49:42 UTC
Focus on making them NOT BREAK our game play with the mass/distance thing, rather than not implementing something to add risk. Accept the bigger battle is lost (rolling wh's will take longer and generate more risk, don't cry about it, htfu seriously) and get something that doesn't destroy capital engagements in WH's instead. There have been a couple of proposals that work to deliver CCP's stated aims, including mine, without all the side effects of their mass/distance solution.
Angrod Losshelin
modro
The Initiative.
#10 - 2014-08-07 16:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Angrod Losshelin
My main thing is most of the changes mentioned are a huge benefit for larger groups or less of an issue. Smaller alliances like mine and other corporations will have a large disadvantage, these changes simply enlarge that. the Frig WH's make PVE almost impossible for smaller class WH's since a group of bombers or hell those stupid super DPS interceptors they still have yet to fix can **** a site running fleet. sure on even ground a group could run sites and fight of a decent number of frigs but any thrasher gang with more people than you can pretty much just wipe the field. Interceptors can warp faster than you can D'scan them and you cannot roll those holes....

Turns W space into blob space imo. I like the idea I just believe this is going to kill smaller groups. Don't even get me started on the mass from WHs issue. Say good bye to any small group using caps in W space outside their own WH. Why not make it interesting and make the smaller ships shoot farther from the hole. Would make more sense in my mind, larger mass objects are harder to put into motion, since WH's don't actually give you any speed what so ever ( you come out at 0m/s) then how are the larger ones being shot further?

Throwing your webbing frigs 30-40km away would be fun to pick off while not ruining game play for those who do rage roll. Just a thought. Second, Cataclysmic Variables have been made even worse, WTF? We used to escalate in one, it was tough but possible. Now, **** it.

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Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-08-07 16:27:26 UTC
Thanks for the work corbexx :)
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#12 - 2014-08-07 16:51:03 UTC
Good work Corbexx. Very good. !!

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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#13 - 2014-08-07 18:39:58 UTC
Yes, many thanks @corbexx.

One question: are there any numbers out on the amount of the new frigate holes?
Rei Moon
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-08-07 20:43:49 UTC
Corbexx.

<3

While i love your CSMness, i must say. plz don't bring more feedback threads...
We talked about many little things, instead, we got messy spawn and invincible frig wormholes.

These changes don't benefit large wspace corps.
These changes don't benefit small wspace corps.

Who's winning with them?

Clearly the null people. Large corps won't jump pvp fleets to null as often. Most noob masses will be able to roam wspace in frigs without having to worry about the hole collapsing behind.

I really love your work, i admire you as CSM.

But, if with a small things thread, CCP came with this mess, imagine when a big things thread pops in.

Shocked

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2014-08-07 21:02:05 UTC
Rei Moon wrote:
Corbexx.

<3

While i love your CSMness, i must say. plz don't bring more feedback threads...
We talked about many little things, instead, we got messy spawn and invincible frig wormholes.

These changes don't benefit large wspace corps.
These changes don't benefit small wspace corps.

Who's winning with them?

Clearly the null people. Large corps won't jump pvp fleets to null as often. Most noob masses will be able to roam wspace in frigs without having to worry about the hole collapsing behind.

I really love your work, i admire you as CSM.

But, if with a small things thread, CCP came with this mess, imagine when a big things thread pops in.

Shocked


#yesallsupers

Think of the future, HG slaved Aeons in WRs. THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES. Literally unevictable.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Alundil
Rolled Out
#16 - 2014-08-07 21:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alundil
Corbexx,

Thanks for the continued diligence on these issues.

Mass/jump being the big messy one.
K162 spawn has been mentioned as under review.
Only other issue that needs some careful thought is the 16hr frigate mass 'gate' (and I say that intentionally since it is for all intents and purposes a gate as proposed). We should NOT have gates. I don't think a permanent open connection is a good one but am willing to see whether or not it gets abused to the detriment of small corps first. Just know that is a potential issue further reducing their ability to earn a living in wspace and therefore live.

Other than that I really do like the changes so far.

Bookmark replication time could be a lot better.
Ore sites could be moved back to signatures.
Data/Relic sites in C4 and below could be made less tedious and worthless (though I know you're working one low class income issues already).
Ghost sites could be made a little less ghostly (still have yet to see one).

Again, thanks for the ongoing effort.

I'm right behind you
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#17 - 2014-08-08 00:41:32 UTC
Copy Paste from Rhavas's blog.
Sigh.
You know what this fixes. It fixes the fact that you can decloak and jump back before the server even tells me you’ve decloaked. The server works on one second tics, always has. Always will.

I already have to deal with lag from being on the other side of the planet from the server, if that spikes even slightly people are in warp on the far side before I even see them decloak.

Go try and catch a covops solo. Go on. It’s not happening and we all know it. The server was never meant to be used in ways like that. There is ZERO chance of anyone being able to respond in any way when what they’re chasing is already loading the next system by the time they even see the target starting to decloak.

I’m still waiting for a single person to explain why you should be able to collapse a full mass WH before the fleet on grid with it even SEE you decloak. I’m sick of seeing a pack of BS’s on Dscan and yet now new sig as they crashed the WH instantly by jumping back.

What are you suggesting in order to stop this? A quadrupling of all align times across the board to allow people chasing to follow their target? Banning all frigates from W Space? Maybe set the mass variation to 100%? Make polarisation the same timer for jumping either way?

If you’re a solo hunter there’s already pretty much nothing to do out here. There’s no miners anymore since CCP changed Ore sites to anomalies. All the PI runners use quad stabbed Epithals so unless you want to fill all your mids with scrams, they’re out. Apparently according to you, all I’m allowed to do anymore is participate in T3 blobs or the occasional soloing of a HS daytripper.

Howabout you think about other groups in W Space besides you massive T3 blobfests for a change.
Hayley Enaka
Bookmark Both Sides
#18 - 2014-08-08 01:30:40 UTC
You are a far braver person than me for actually paying attention to anything on these forums corbexx. I'm sure we can trust you to consider both sides of the discussion and not simply take the easy option of opposing any form of change and burning the heathens like myself who suggest otherwise.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#19 - 2014-08-08 01:36:50 UTC
Hayley Enaka wrote:
You are a far braver person than me for actually paying attention to anything on these forums corbexx. I'm sure we can trust you to consider both sides of the discussion and not simply take the easy option of opposing any form of change and burning the heathens like myself who suggest otherwise.


Are you trying to imply that you don't read my wonderful words?

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Hayley Enaka
Bookmark Both Sides
#20 - 2014-08-08 01:52:45 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Hayley Enaka wrote:
You are a far braver person than me for actually paying attention to anything on these forums corbexx. I'm sure we can trust you to consider both sides of the discussion and not simply take the easy option of opposing any form of change and burning the heathens like myself who suggest otherwise.


Are you trying to imply that you don't read my wonderful words?


Maybe... Roll
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