EVE General Discussion

The OP has it all wrong.

It doesn't matter WHY solo-style High-Sec, non-PvP players play as they do. Thats their choice, and they are welcome to it, for any reason they like.

The question SHOULD be to CCP as to why, unlike the vast majority of games, the CCP version of a "noobie zone" has the same (if not superior) level of reward/outcome as the deepest reaches of what would be CCP's "raiding area", i.e. nullsec.

The problem is CCP's, not the players. Players have every damn right to choose the easy, drama-free, risk-free portion of the game to enjoy, if thats why they enjoy. I support them on that 100%.

What they should not, IMO, have, is access to the same kinds of rewards as a low-sec or null-sec player has. Those rewards should be reserved for those who DO risk, DO take part in the social and political game, and DO put the kind of effort and isk on the line that nullsec and low-sec players do, daily.

No one would suggest that a 2-man "raid" in Durotar in WoW should drop equipment equal to that of the hardest Level 90-whatever end-game raid. Nor should high-sec mIssioning, an almost 100% risk-free activity with only basic player interaction and effort, be rewarded to the degree it is, i.e. more profitable than large swatches of null-sec.

There is only one reaosn why CCP would choose it to be this way, and it IS a very understandable reason. CCP is running a business, and carebear subs are subs, just liek any other, and CCP needs them.

If anyone should be angry, it's the poor saps living in low-sec, who get the worst of both worlds. More risk than null in many cases, and less reward than null or high-sec for doing it.

I fall under the 'missioners who do nothing with their isk'

well, i do. I amass it up to atleast a bill, and splurge on something at that point, like a faction fitted navy thron or some other boat, or even a proteus.

Raiding areas in other mmos are generally safer than the lowbie zones. The former are in instanced bubbles and thus immune to any form of pvp interference, the latter are often populated by high level gankers from the opposite faction, if its a pvp server. Unsurprisingly, people graduate from these lowbie zones as fast as humanly possible, or ignore them altogether. by leveling through instanced dungeons or (consensual and level and numbers balanced) instanced pvp.

That's not how math or subjective reality work :-) Especially if others consider your 'other stuff' to be valueless to them. Which they may well.
The selling point is different for everyone. That this game is an MMO is a feature, just like anything else. It's also about spaceships. It's also about economics, politics, genocide, war, aggression, charity, education, creation, invention and any number of other themes. But still, what its selling points are is a matter of personal choice, personal preference.

The Devs hand us all the same toolset. Some people grab the hammer and just continually hit things. Other people pull out more and more tools from the box and build something complex. You can stare at the hammer kid like he's crazy all you want. He's having fun, and he's not hurting anyone. So let him be. This whole thread's intent (aside from the philosophical debate) seems to be to point at that kid and laugh at him for being weird.

Cause that always turns out so well.

You know why? Because it's my form of griefing.

Think about it. Null sec is pushing hard at the CSM to have everyone move to null sec. Why? Because they don't understand politics. The only time they start shooting each other is when they want a little more space, or if someone pisses someone off. There was a good thread about people needing to stop with these non-aggression pacts. They complain day-in and day-out that they have "no one to shoot", and completely ignore the fact that they [b]have[/i] ships to blow up and people to shoot. They just need to stop being a bunch of dumbasses.

So, if they want to try to force me into their playground, then I'll stay away. They can watch me, with all my sexy, expensive ships. They can dec me, I'll evade. They can gank me, I'll escape. They expect us all to be carebears lacking knowledge. If anything, the fact that they whine so hard is proof that they are the carebears lacking knowledge.

Also, all my clones are like..3 bil alone. F*ck your bubble camping ret@rd friends.

That's exactly what I was saying in my last post. I can, and will.

lol cognitive dissonance

signs this.

If you cannot understand that there are people without a goal...imagine theire goal is becoming the richest person in game through mission grinding.

Ask people working in a factory what their goals are... Its like mission grinding:

stand up..go to work...do things... go to home, eat, go to bed == log in, ask agent, do things, fly base, look wallet, log off

Hisec is a chill place for jewing and being an anon pubbie.

Everywhere else is a hectic place where my alts shoot those anon pubbies.

~however~

I would also like to address the numerous individuals who have made the assertion that you have to join an alliance and pvp to live in 0.0. This assertion is entirely false. Although it requires some learning and specialized hardware, it is entirely possible to do your own thing solo in 0.0, and in relative safety. Although the range of activities available to you might be somewhat restricted.