Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dear CCP,

There has been a lot of posts giving advice on how you should fix Eve. As a life long care bear, I feel our voice needs to be heard also.

CCP is always working on new player retention. In the last few years high sec has gotten more dangerous (ever since they started buffing ship DPS so its super easy to gank in high sec). I feel this has been intentional because CCP feels if they can just get them involved in PVP more they will stay.

What you are missing is, when you have a game like EVE with 500, 000 players, with a fairly safe high sec, dangerous low sec and lawless Null, not everyone that plays wants to pvp. If you force them into PVP they will just quit.

A very large portion of eve was content to mine, build, and mission in High sec. Go in the occasional WH or maybe venture into low sec once in a while. That type player is leaving in droves. It’s no fun anymore. Their odds of being ganked are too high (not to mention scammed).

I moved to null years ago, but I used to enjoy my trips to high sec where it was relatively safe. Now I find high sec annoying.

As you can’t nerf all the ships you have buffed, you could make Concord more responsive. Quit giving the gankers 20 seconds (or more). Reduce it. Improve new player training. Don’t leave it up to the user base. Too many have their own agenda. And it’s not always good. Have tutorials that also inform new players of the most common scams and how to avoid them. Quit catering to the bullies and the people with no morals that play eve. The people that think its okay to lie, cheat, and steal because it's only a game. As long as they can kill us, they will be here. You don't have to encourage them.

For the Vets, Expand the game. Give us something new. New territories…not just tweaks to the same ole stuff. A game that never has expansions dies.

My 2 cents worth.

Yes

Ganking is harder now; ships worth ganking are tankier, insurance covers nothing, and dps is about the same. I say this as someone that thinks gankers are dumb and easy to confuse.

And you went to null and now say you're getting ganked when you bring ships full of money to high? And you think the people that daytrip are all as dumb as you?

Amen.

I too am a scourge and pox on the lives of EVE's NPCs and I disagree with everything the OP has said. Especially the part about high sec getting more dangerous. When i started playing you could still warp after doing something CONCORD would kill you for, you could tank faction police (and we did in Faction Warfare, had some guys tank the facpo in Nourve so we could go in and kill a bunch of Caldari militia guys in their "safe" high sec system).

There was no safety on a ship to prevent you from CONCORDING yourself by smartbombing a gate in a mission. There was no pop up telling you you were about to jump into low sec.. No target spectrum breakers for battleships and so on. High Sec (and the rest of the game) is safer now than at any point in it's past.

dude ive been a bear for 5 years now and only been ganked once. Its not hard, don't afk in space, don't autopilot in ships you don't want to lose. And don't "pimp" out your missioning ships all the time, you do not NEED your ships to be over 4bil in fittings to be a "efficient" mission runner. Actually you'd probably be more efficient running a T2 fit, that never gets looked at for more than a second by most gankers, simply due to the offset of not losing ships. Hell, want a great ship to blitz missions in get a T2 fit HAC or T3, want something high DPS/tank to slug your way through missions with extremely high bounty rewards, get a T1 BS with T2 mods, put a MJD on it and learn to maneuver around the field rather than sitting at 1 point.
Get in a mission, MJD away form the warpin. Now if someone comes in to gank you you've got several dozen seconds for them to even close the distance.
Miners, STAY ALIGNED. See a rifter, or catalyst jumping into your belt, LEAVE. Getting your hulk out is much more efficient for your income than being afk, and sitting there while you get shot up by someone you should have seen coming.
Also pay attention to chats, theres plenty of channels solely for keeping track of where the gankers are ganking. Put all the people who've threatened you before on your contacts, give them terrible standing, and watchlist them, when they come into your system, get ready to run if need be.
Theres a guy on these forums, his name escapes me, but he tends to show up in these types of threads, keeps a blog about his exploits in ganking and piracy, and very often there's plenty of info that can be ganashed from his posts about how to avoid getting ganked and set up your interface to pay better attention and whatnot.


And also to Celthric
Nullsec is a HELL of a lot safer to roam around in than highsec. HS there's people who take potshots at you all the time, and it seems every other week theres some "gank carebears" event going on. Nullsec I've roamed around in the blue doughnut for 50-60 jumps before I actually came across someone who didn't run and hide in a POS/station, and my last jump was into a 60man gang that wanted to plunder my booty for interfering with their renters nullbearing. (lost a cane, it was a different char than this, but meh, I was bored that day)

No.

And before you bring up strawmen ...

No.

A Highsec Dweller's Letter to Carebears

Confirming that highsec is now the safest it's ever been - and is perhaps edging on too safe. Certainly if CCP so much as lifts a finger to even consider making highsec safer, it will absolutely become too safe and require heavy nerfs.

OP, you say highsec is more dangerous than ever before. You say that gankers have it easier now than they have ever had it. You say that CCP is catering more towards the PvPers and the gankers and the people who do you harm than they ever have before. You say that you need to be protected more than you already are.

This is nonsense. Surely you must be confused. Perhaps you do not know where you are.

OP, I say that you and those like you are now lazier than you have ever been before. I say that you are fatter, juicier targets than you have ever been before. I say that you have never done less to watch your surroundings and be attentive than you are doing now. I say that you have allowed yourself to be coddled into a false sense of security by new game systems that were designed to do nothing of the sort. What was presented as a way to clarify how crime and punishment work was taken by you as a promise of increased safety - a promise that CCP never made, does not make now and will not make in the future.

You have manufactured a delusion and allowed yourself to settle comfortably into it much the same way one settles into an overstuffed chair on a quiet evening in front of the fireplace.

You have manufactured your own downfall out of lies, half-truths and misunderstandings and now you cry that this downfall has been thrust upon you unjustly - that it is something that someone else has inflicted upon you without your consent.

You feel that your time in nullsec has made you savvy and aware and alert. You feel that nullsec is inherently more dangerous than highsec and in highsec you need not pay any attention. This "letter" shows us that nothing could be further from the truth.

Allow me to present you with the inconvenient facts, OP.

While Blue Null™ is significantly safer than highsec, that does not mean highsec is as dangerous as you say. It simply means that Blue Null™ is virtually a risk-free candy land compared to everywhere else in EVE. Of course, if you're going to be AFK and make bad decisions that turn you into fat and easy prey, certainly highsec is dangerous. Everywhere in EVE is dangerous if you're making bad decisions and making choices that turn you into an easy target.

For a person that pays attention, doesn't autopilot slow ships crammed to the top of the bulkheads with money and knows a thing or two about how gankers operate - the basic responsibilities of any highsec resident - 0.5 and above are pretty safe. Highsec is not totally safe, nor should it be. Do not misunderstand my words as you have misunderstood CCP's.

EVE at its core is a PvP game. PvE and "carebearing" are not a primary focus and (especially if the current state of PvE is any indication of CCP's skill at it) should not ever become a primary focus.

If it makes you upset that others can have the opportunity to immobilize, shoot at and then destroy your ship (probably followed by your pod as you were too stunned in angry disbelief and failed to warp off) then perhaps you should make a choice here and now.

You can choose to finally understand what EVE is, as so many have done before you.

You can choose to isolate yourself in the security blanket of Deep Blue Null™, never to emerge again.

You can choose to continue living in your daydream with slight behavior changes, even though you'll just end up back here again.

You can choose to reject everything, to declare EVE nothing more than a hive of scum and villainy, resolving immediately to leave forever in favor of more carebear-friendly climates.

The choice is yours, OP. It's time to be a big boy and make the call yourself. Mommy isn't going to hold your hand or do it for you and neither is CCP.

This statement right here will have you be dubbed a whiner, someone who can't deal with the harsh community that is eve. Now instead of calling you a whiner or a baby I'm simply going to explain something to you. In eve it IS ok to lie, cheat, and steal. Eve's very nature is such that anything goes, if I am not exploiting game mechanics or personally threatening or attacking you in real life, I can do whatever I want to you. For instance say this post you made on the forums irritated me, I could personally seek you out and blow you up in the game, and there would be nothing stopping me from doing so. Also note that it would be easier for me to do so in null sec than in high sec. In the same instance it is also your choice to fight back or not to.

You play this game and joined the community voluntarily, and it is clearly stated by the devs that this game is meant to be a sandbox in the most literal of ways. You consent to being blown up by undocking, and you consent to being scammed or lied to by trusting someone else. If you don't like it, go play a different game. What you ask is literally asking for the game to become a different game, so rather than complain why not take matters into your own hands and play a different one that suits your play style?



Eve has had a constant rate of expansions being released since the game became public, this comment makes little sense to me.

I think he is looking for new modules to be released every year or so that make the previous year's modules obsolete.