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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#1221 - 2011-12-08 16:06:50 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Midnight Hope wrote:
Taius Pax wrote:
Psychophantic wrote:
It's obvious WiS is popular.

Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.



Incarna's what caused that huge drop in subscriptions. The community backlash against Incarna was so bad and subscription losses substantial enough they had to lay people off and practically shelve development on their other MMO - World of Darkness.

I think the message was pretty clear.



You are right, Incarna sucked, but Incarna was not WiS. Equating them is a mistake.
Even from the WiS perpective, Incarna sucked. The backlash was because of the lack of content (only one CQ with the door closed), gameplay and the NEX-T-2-useless Store.

I, for one, want to get more WiS. CCP has to find the right balance or FiS and WiS in each expansion.
I would love to explore an abandoned BS or Space Station. I would love to hang out in my Corp lounge/offices. I would like to stroll down Jita promenade.


Midnight, excellent ideas!!! CCP hire this person immediately!

Issler


Are you kidding? How is the gameplay of hanging out in corporate offices any different than the game play of hanging out in your captains quarters?

You want to pay a subscription so you can stroll down a promenade??

FFS!

What is the matter with you people??

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1222 - 2011-12-08 16:09:54 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Doh, CSM meeting news:

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Just a quick report on events at day 1:

Opening Meeting: Discussed the ongoing reorganization of CCP, designed to make the company better able to deliver what customers want. This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up.


Not a very promising start. Roll

CCP ignored FiS for WiS for 2 years. Subscriptions started to dwindle, people were pissed on the forums. CCP regained focus on WiS, subscriptions started going back up, people were less pissed on the forums.

Gee, I wonder why they're keeping at least some focus on FiS.



Not Fis was ignored,but EVE itself.
Not bc of WIS,but for WOD , a Console game and the Nex store
And don,t forget CCP claim they did the last winterpatch with some expansions (still a patch,but it made a lot of people happy,including me) in 6 weeks
imagine what they can do in a half year.
They can do the tweaks you all want,add some shiny stuf in space and still be working on the WIS part with a small crew.
the foundation for Wis is there ,all we want is some love for it by a small team


R.S.I2014

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
#1223 - 2011-12-08 16:30:40 UTC
+1 for fixing existing ships (unique role per ship, even if that role is being cheap eg. slasher).

+1 WIS: this will probably get me back into the game.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1224 - 2011-12-08 16:35:55 UTC
Cearain wrote:
[quote=Issler Dainze]

Are you kidding? How is the gameplay of hanging out in corporate offices any different than the game play of hanging out in your captains quarters?

You want to pay a subscription so you can stroll down a promenade??

FFS!

What is the matter with you people??



You are the one that has the problem. You are too small minded to consider the possibilities and your arguments deteriorate to "blah, blah, space-barbie".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t1SKhdCkHM
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#1225 - 2011-12-08 16:53:13 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Cearain wrote:
[quote=Issler Dainze]

Are you kidding? How is the gameplay of hanging out in corporate offices any different than the game play of hanging out in your captains quarters?

You want to pay a subscription so you can stroll down a promenade??

FFS!

What is the matter with you people??



You are the one that has the problem. You are too small minded to consider the possibilities and your arguments deteriorate to "blah, blah, space-barbie".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t1SKhdCkHM



I have a problem because I have no desire to pay a subscription to have my computer avatar stroll down a promenade?

Whats the point of the youtube? It confirms there isn't much to wis. Drink a beer at a bar. Roll

Play a minigame or strategy game with another avatar? Ok big deal. I actually like chess but there are chess servers I can play on for free.

What do you mean the argument deteriorates into "space barbie"? Its not an argument so much as a statement of fact. It is space barbies. Space barbie in a bar having a drink. Space barbie hanging out in her corporate lounge socializing. Space barbie can play a game of checkers with ken. And, last but not least, Space Barbie can stroll down a promenade!!

Please tell me, if you were to make "space barbies" which of the things he mentioned wouldn't fit in?

Everything he mentioned would work well in a "space barbie" mmo.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1226 - 2011-12-08 17:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Cearain wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Cearain wrote:
[quote=Issler Dainze]

Are you kidding? How is the gameplay of hanging out in corporate offices any different than the game play of hanging out in your captains quarters?

You want to pay a subscription so you can stroll down a promenade??

FFS!

What is the matter with you people??



You are the one that has the problem. You are too small minded to consider the possibilities and your arguments deteriorate to "blah, blah, space-barbie".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t1SKhdCkHM



I have a problem because I have no desire to pay a subscription to have my computer avatar stroll down a promenade?

Whats the point of the youtube? It confirms there isn't much to wis. Drink a beer at a bar. Roll

Play a minigame or strategy game with another avatar? Ok big deal. I actually like chess but there are chess servers I can play on for free.

What do you mean the argument deteriorates into "space barbie"? Its not an argument so much as a statement of fact. It is space barbies. Space barbie in a bar having a drink. Space barbie hanging out in her corporate lounge socializing. Space barbie can play a game of checkers with ken. And, last but not least, Space Barbie can stroll down a promenade!!

Please tell me, if you were to make "space barbies" which of the things he mentioned wouldn't fit in?

Everything he mentioned would work well in a "space barbie" mmo.



if you don,t want space barbie ,then stay on shipspinning
if you don,t pvp ,stay in highsec
if you want to blow up something ,go to 0.0 or gank a miner
if you want to research ,go ahead
if you want to manufacture, pls do makes EVE empty when somebody wasn,t doing that.
if you want to play the market,then look at the spreadsheets
if you want to mine,stare at those asteroids
If you want FW,pls go ahead

i want Fis,but i want WIS also.
You may never want to tryout WIS,but others are wanting WIS

R.S.I2014

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#1227 - 2011-12-08 17:09:59 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

If you want FW,pls go ahead




Hopefully they will fix fw before they continue work on Space barbie. (and yes I will call it space barbie until someone tells me a feature that they are including in wis that wouldn't fit in a space barbie mmo.)

But fw needs allot of iterating. It won't just be one quick fix and be done. The same goes for null sec and low sec in general.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1228 - 2011-12-08 17:17:02 UTC
Cearain wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

If you want FW,pls go ahead




Hopefully they will fix fw before they continue work on Space barbie. (and yes I will call it space barbie until someone tells me a feature that they are including in wis that wouldn't fit in a space barbie mmo.)

But fw needs allot of iterating. It won't just be one quick fix and be done. The same goes for null sec and low sec in general.




So we both want something, we feel its needs a little attention.
Welcome to the club .


Greetings from Old or Oldbut (they can,t resist calling me this way)

R.S.I2014

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1229 - 2011-12-08 17:28:40 UTC
Cearain wrote:

Please tell me, if you were to make "space barbies" which of the things he mentioned wouldn't fit in?


I'm not sure where you guy have got this stupid term "space barbies" but it makes you sound really immature and pathetic.

All the arguments against WIS equate to saying, "I have a bike so why would i want a car with 4 wheel when my bikes 2 are perfectly fine? It's only after you get the car that you can appreciate the benefits.

Sometimes there is nothing to do in eve but sit around spinning your ship and i would much rather play a strategic game or gamble with a friend in station. Instead of sitting in a station waiting for a war target to undock at a moments notice, i could track him and see when he enters the docking area or i could listen in on a conversation that my lead to interesting opportunities...

There are endless possibilities to what WIS could offer but most of all, it would bring in a fresh wave of people if done right which would bring in more money to make the whole game better.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#1230 - 2011-12-08 19:03:51 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Cearain wrote:

Please tell me, if you were to make "space barbies" which of the things he mentioned wouldn't fit in?


I'm not sure where you guy have got this stupid term "space barbies" but it makes you sound really immature and pathetic.


I see it upsets you when I refer to it as space barbies.

But everything that is mentioned about wis (playing board games with your avatar - socializing with other computer avatars - watching your avatar have a drink - strolling down a promenade) all would be features of any space barbie game. Would they not?


So I can't help but think that you are upset because the truth hurts.

You are looking for a space barbie mmo and it upsets you when people point this out.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1231 - 2011-12-08 19:50:09 UTC
No it's just that your ignorance annoys me. Maybe when you grow up a bit we can have an intelligent conversation...

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#1232 - 2011-12-08 20:16:44 UTC
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Rek Seven wrote:
No it's just that your ignorance annoys me. Maybe when you grow up a bit we can have an intelligent conversation...




Ah I see, until I too nag ccp about space barbies I will always be deemed immature, ignorrant and unintelligent. That's the criteria. Roll

Really I am not against having avatars do more. But right now the computer hardware is unlikely to support it - so why waste time pounding a round peg in a square hole? Moreover there is just huge amounts of work that needs to be done in making fw, low sec, and null sec work.

Nothing has been happening in null for years. It seems the null mechanics favor carebearing over war. FW is all but abandonned for years and ccp has offered no idea what the plan is. Low sec ..... well need I say more?

Its time for ccp to put incarna down for a while continue working on the core of the game

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1233 - 2011-12-08 22:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Cearain wrote:
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Rek Seven wrote:
No it's just that your ignorance annoys me. Maybe when you grow up a bit we can have an intelligent conversation...



Really I am not against having avatars do more. But right now the computer hardware is unlikely to support it - so why waste time pounding a round peg in a square hole? Moreover there is just huge amounts of work that needs to be done in making fw, low sec, and null sec work.

Nothing has been happening in null for years. It seems the null mechanics favor carebearing over war. FW is all but abandonned for years and ccp has offered no idea what the plan is. Low sec ..... well need I say more?

Its time for ccp to put incarna down for a while continue working on the core of the game


At last, a less toll filled response Smile

I agree, CCP should polish existing features to fix all the little things that we experience every day and say to our corpmates "it should work like this..." but the bigger gripes, like null sec population, low sec mechanics and FW for example, stem from issues with the core gameplay mechanics. Changing gameplay mechanics would be a huge task like you said and it has an even bigger chance of alienating people and causing mass unsubs.

WIS has been in developement for ages and all they are going to release is a geaphically intensive way to view an avatar wearing a $70 monocle? That is unacceptable to me and I want to see the things we were told/show.

I just don't want incarna to be added to list of content that feels half finished in this game and I can't see how I can be expected to support the game when they are this quick to go back on their promises and waste my money developing unthoughtout content.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1234 - 2011-12-08 22:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#1235 - 2011-12-08 22:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Titania Hrothgar
I want local to be changed to a high tech scanning ability.

I want WiS to be thrown away... I think no good will come from being shot in stations. Besides, it lags me to no end. I can play better graphix games than this with no lag... I play Sims 3 which is more detailed and my 4 sims walking aorund and laughing together in a 3 story house doesn't cause the lag that my one pilot does by simply walking down a hallway. There's no way I'm going to feel compelled to buy a new computer for the ability to walk down a hallway.

I would like to have a large war ship be equipped with the advanced combat capabilities of a tiny frigate.

I would also like to see a super dreadnaught capable of installing more than 2 guns.

That's my wish list :)

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1236 - 2011-12-08 22:28:19 UTC
Actually, as long as FiS is solid and not performing seppuku on itself, WiS is a logical next step for CCP.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Flamespar
WarRavens
#1237 - 2011-12-09 00:06:10 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:

I just don't want incarna to be added to list of content that feels half finished in this game and I can't see how I can be expected to support the game when they are this quick to go back on their promises and waste my money developing unthoughtout content.


Heart of the matter. CCP has a long way to go on restoring confidence.

Personally I think remaining silent on the future of WiS does not help, or ignoring this thread, which has been going on for well over a month.

Lately I've been thinking that the reason that CCP is silent regarding WiS is because they are trying to distance themselves from the ****-up which was Incarna.

Will players leave until WiS is actually implemented? I'm definitely going to take a break because of it. I’m just tired of CCP promising the world and then delivering nothing.

Lots of players play this game as they like where the game was heading, and wanted to be part of that journey. But now, it’s lost some of its magic.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#1238 - 2011-12-09 00:53:47 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:

I just don't want incarna to be added to list of content that feels half finished in this game and I can't see how I can be expected to support the game when they are this quick to go back on their promises and waste my money developing unthoughtout content.


Heart of the matter. CCP has a long way to go on restoring confidence.

Personally I think remaining silent on the future of WiS does not help, or ignoring this thread, which has been going on for well over a month.

Lately I've been thinking that the reason that CCP is silent regarding WiS is because they are trying to distance themselves from the ****-up which was Incarna.

Will players leave until WiS is actually implemented? I'm definitely going to take a break because of it. I’m just tired of CCP promising the world and then delivering nothing.

Lots of players play this game as they like where the game was heading, and wanted to be part of that journey. But now, it’s lost some of its magic.


When I started this thread all I really wanted was a definitive response from CCP. A month later and how many supporting posts and not a peep.

Lame CCP!

Issler
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1239 - 2011-12-09 01:14:42 UTC
"not a peep", as in not a single post by a dev? Is that why there's a big fat blue dev arrow pointing towards this thread?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1240 - 2011-12-09 01:21:41 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
"not a peep", as in not a single post by a dev? Is that why there's a big fat blue dev arrow pointing towards this thread?


you mean page 12 / off-topic posts removed ?? Thats really something to add to this discussion i must admit.. you are right on spot..