EVE General Discussion

Finally got the answer I was looking for. Multi Boxing is accetable as long as it isnt used for unfairness game play towards players. Example ganking or bombing runs. That information can be found here

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/?_ga=1.235170247.792540985.1403572578

Well good luck to my friends and to all you Multi boxing gankers and bombers. read the above link.

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This Post isnt against Alt Tabbers. Multi boxing that i am referring to is using one computer to log into several accounts to control all toons at the same time without alt tabbing. Example, One player controlling 50 catalyst to gank freighters using one computer with one screen.

To stop any confusion, Multi boxing on seperate computers is allowed according to GM Lelouch but on the same computer isn't. Please dont post about CCP allowing Multi boxing on the same computer. That is against the rules and is ban-able as using a program to make commands for you.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274 <- GM Lelouch post

So a friend of mine was banned because he was accused of bot mining. Not a 30 day ban either but a full ban. I am trying to make sense of CCP logic. I know of several friends that were ganked or bombed by multi boxers. I have also seen plenty of people multi boxing incursions and are still playing to this day. I have seen an entire alliance report a multi boxer for weeks and nothing happen to that player. Multi boxing is against the rules and is suppose to be a ban-able offense. CCP doesn't reimburse the player because "it was done under normal game mechanics" which doesnt make any sense if the rules were broken. The point i am trying to make is there needs to be more consistency (conformity in the application of something, typically that which is necessary for the sake of logic, accuracy, or fairness) when the rules are broken. If you are going to allow multi boxer to break the rules then you need to allow bot-ing. if not then both need to be ban or the rules need to be re written. I dont know how many subscriber you have lost because of this but eve needs as many as possible. This inconsistency is showing favoritism to a certain game style and players which isn't right for other players. This is a problem that needs attention ASAP.

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/?_ga=1.208824788.792540985.1403572578

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

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To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

So you still need to be using Different computers!

So you thought breaking more rules was the right solution?

This is what I thought when I read that line. CCP likes people to have multiple accounts. That means more money for them. They do take reports of people botting seriously. They investigate the claims, which sometimes can take weeks, and when they determine that the person is in violation... they drop the ban hammer. HARD.

I guess i am the only one the Reads the EULA top to bottom

The EULA itself does not describe the rules by which CCP operates. They are rules that can be applied to you as CCP, a private company, sees fit. This isn't a country with a parliament and citizens, so stop acting like it's a civil rights issue.

read OP Before posting. Then read other post about how CCP can keep more subscribers

Exactly! so you are agree that there is no consistency. If the rules cannot be taken to face value and CCP will decide that one player can do this and its fine while a different player did the same exact thing and gets ban that is called favoritism.

I decided to have this discussion earlier with Tippia, because I enjoy digging into semantics for no good reason whatsoever (and I suspect Tippia does too!). Anyway, this is her take on it, and maybe it should be stickied.

I'm running 3 clients as I write this post. Can somebody report me, please!

Consistency is not the top priority in a for-profit company otherwise it would be labeled "for-consistency".

CCP has made it quite clear that not only is multi-boxing fine, users can even use key-sharing apps that fork commands into multiple windows of the game.

Consistency and logic are not considered important on this topic.