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Mackinaw - Confusing Bonuses
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#1 - 2011-12-08 21:35:16 UTC
I was looking at a Mackinaw today and noticed this and kind of laughed. whats the point of negating the bonus to ice harvester duration? why give it the initial bonus to begin with?

Exhumers Skill Bonus:
5% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level.

Role Bonus:
100% bonus Ice Harvester yield but 25% penalty to ice harvester duration

so if i trained up Exhumers V for the 25% harvester duration bonus, I'd be f'n pissed to see the penalty....
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-12-08 21:37:21 UTC
But you already got a 100% Ice Harvester yield bonus? Can't please pubbies.
Amro One
One.
#3 - 2011-12-08 21:38:18 UTC
Its to give incentive to train to lvl 5
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-12-08 21:39:09 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
I was looking at a Mackinaw today and noticed this and kind of laughed. whats the point of negating the bonus to ice harvester duration? why give it the initial bonus to begin with?

Exhumers Skill Bonus:
5% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level.

Role Bonus:
100% bonus Ice Harvester yield but 25% penalty to ice harvester duration

so if i trained up Exhumers V for the 25% harvester duration bonus, I'd be f'n pissed to see the penalty....


So when you train up Exhumers V you get an 25% more ice
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#5 - 2011-12-08 21:39:11 UTC
wouldn't it make you made if you trained up a ship's bonuses to V for the benefit just to have it negated by a role bonus?

my question is, why is it there to begin with? if it's working as intended, then that Exhumer bonus should be removed completely as it it stupidly pointless to say your getting a bonus when your not
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
#6 - 2011-12-08 21:42:20 UTC
It's so that at say Exhumers 4 you get 100% more ice for 5% extra time

At 5 you get double the ice for the same time as normal.

-CJ
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#7 - 2011-12-08 21:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
hulk w/3 strips
cost 230m
3 units per cycle with a 10 minute cycle time

mack w/2 strips
cost 110m
4 units per cycle with a cycle time of 8.5 minutes


cry moar
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#8 - 2011-12-08 21:42:51 UTC
lol let me get this straight someone trains up Exhumers 5 for the Ice Harvester duration reduction to get -25% on the cycle time

BUT the role bonus has a penalty of 25% to the duration.

so if i do the math its -25% +25% which = 0 lol my point is, why is the duration bonus there at all if the role PENALTY is just going to negate it's Exhumer bonus
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#9 - 2011-12-08 21:43:18 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
wouldn't it make you made if you trained up a ship's bonuses to V for the benefit just to have it negated by a role bonus?

my question is, why is it there to begin with? if it's working as intended, then that Exhumer bonus should be removed completely as it it stupidly pointless to say your getting a bonus when your not


You're handily omitting the fact that as it is you need the skill to 5 and with your "idea" you don't.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-08 21:45:27 UTC
Ice mining ladies and gentlemen

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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#11 - 2011-12-08 21:45:31 UTC
Cryten Jones wrote:
It's so that at say Exhumers 4 you get 100% more ice for 5% extra time

At 5 you get double the ice for the same time as normal.

-CJ


thank you CJ for some clarification

and GFY to the usual a$$hats who say crap like cry moar or call names because i asked a question....I don't even have a Mack, i was looking at one and was confused by the bonuses. god some people are just lame
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#12 - 2011-12-08 21:47:01 UTC
thank you Krios

jesus it's like you cant even ask a question anymore without the trolls smacktalking
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#13 - 2011-12-08 21:47:05 UTC
Take an Ice harvester. It takes x seconds to cycle.
Yield is 1/x per second

A mackinaw slows that down to 1.25x seconds, but doubles the yield.
Yield is 2/1.25x per second which becomes 1.6/x per second

Add exhumers V and you get back to x seconds
Yield is 2/x per second.


The penalty is there to avoid Exhumers V giving too much ice without making it worthless to train.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#14 - 2011-12-08 21:47:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
arcca jeth wrote:
Cryten Jones wrote:
It's so that at say Exhumers 4 you get 100% more ice for 5% extra time

At 5 you get double the ice for the same time as normal.

-CJ


thank you CJ for some clarification

and GFY to the usual a$$hats who say crap like cry moar or call names because i asked a question....I don't even have a Mack, i was looking at one and was confused by the bonuses. god some people are just lame


you'll go far here

save yourself the loss of hair and unsub now

and if you think that is confusing just wait till you have to understand why the primary skill requirement for something is lower than the tertiary skill requirement

ie you must train "stupid" to level 4 to fly this, and the tertiary requirement is train "stupid" to level 5
Zuevil
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-12-08 21:49:18 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:


-25% +25% which = 0 lol my point is, why is the duration bonus there at all if the role PENALTY is just going to negate it's Exhumer bonus





Indeed you are correct Sir, some people just fails at math, I guess CCP got some of them.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#16 - 2011-12-08 21:49:23 UTC
Morganta wrote:
arcca jeth wrote:
Cryten Jones wrote:
It's so that at say Exhumers 4 you get 100% more ice for 5% extra time

At 5 you get double the ice for the same time as normal.

-CJ


thank you CJ for some clarification

and GFY to the usual a$$hats who say crap like cry moar or call names because i asked a question....I don't even have a Mack, i was looking at one and was confused by the bonuses. god some people are just lame


you'll go far here

save yourself the loss of hair and unsub now



lmao sure let me cancel my 5 year old account and my 4 subs with it, how about you get a life and quit, you are repulsive and ugly both inside and out.
Handsome Hussein
#17 - 2011-12-08 21:51:17 UTC
Morganta wrote:
save yourself the loss of hair and unsub now

Do the deed, Arcca, you know you want to.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#18 - 2011-12-08 21:52:17 UTC
Handsome Hussein wrote:
Morganta wrote:
save yourself the loss of hair and unsub now

Do the deed, Arcca, you know you want to.


ima bout to close my eyes and imagine myself "doing the deed" all over your face! Cool lol
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#19 - 2011-12-08 21:53:13 UTC
umad?
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#20 - 2011-12-08 21:54:09 UTC
apparently Hussein is a bad word in your quote lol

Morganta, my A$$, see it? now kiss it butthead
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