EVE General Discussion

Fire all CCP upper management.

The only thing I agree with is the live events. The more the better.

As for everything else, forget PvE.

PvE is crap no matter what you do. It exists as a means to earn easy isk, that is all.

I have said it before and a few other people have also said it, if you want to keep players then you need to get them into decent player run corps asap.

RvB, Eve Uni, Some Faction Warfare Corps / Alliances, Brave Newbies etc.

An easy way would be at the end of the NPE is for a list of Corps / Alliances to be shown to these new players. If only half of them contact one of these groups and join I bet they would stay more then a month.

Well, first of all, that's only if said newb fixates upon a Tech 2 ship variant, like cov ops.

There are tons of ships that can offer plenty of fun besides just those.

Are we talking some fabled reasonable newbie that doesnt run around screaming "HEY , THATS COOL, I WANT TO DO THAT!!!" ? :)

Yes, there are some barriers to some specific specialist ships. That's what makes them specialist ships. But there's a world of difference between getting one of those and becoming a specialist at that particular task and simply trying stuff.

It's the oft-expressed notion that, you somehow must have a covops to ninja-explore in null… or hell, just to explore. Or that you must have a freighter to be a hauler. Or that you must have an all-V HAC to do small gang stuff. Or that you must have a mindlink-Orca-supported Hulk fleet to do mining. Or that you must have umpteen bazillion SP and all-V skills before poking your head into low or null. And worse than that, many new players are being taught that they must have those before even trying whatever task they're interested in.

All of that is nonsense. It's like saying “I can't wait until I can afford an F1 car — then I'll be able to try my hand at motor racing” (and it's the underlined part that is the folly of it all). You don't try something by going for the top and not doing anything before you get there. That will only end in tears and flames and empty wallets. You try something by starting small and, should it prove to be fun and worth a long-term investment, only then do you build towards that end goal.

That's only because he's been lied to. What he should have been told is that, yes, you can get those upgrades and ships eventually… if you want to. You don't need them. If you want to try X, go out and try it right now with what you already have (because none of those upgrades or ships will actually change the core experience).

The whole waiting part hits the new player twice: once when he's waiting rather than learning about the game, and once more when it turns out that what he was waiting for wasn't at all something he wanted to do. Had he tried immediately, he would have found that part out immediately and he would have been able to try something else — something he could keep doing and keep learning about as he accumulated more relevant abilities.

The “must have X before trying Y” is, by far, the worst form of newbie griefing this game has to offer.

That doesn't mean there is nothing to do in the meantime. I am still under 4M skillpoints, but have earned more ISK from scouting for corp/alliance mates, setting up tacticals, etc. than any other activity in game. I am still about two months away from my first goal in-game, but I spend time scouting out anything from safe trade routes to different anomaly types to wormholes, and I make a few hundred million ISK per week in thank you donations.

You can easily be involved in the game without many skillpoints.

man i miss SWG, an i mean MISS

Especially if you have alienated pretty much every possible new player in the industry, better hold the ones you got tight

Seriously, new players are a commodity to support the existing players. They buy PLEX, fly through camped gates and yield high quality tears.

New players are not supposed to stay with EVE, they are only supposed to entertain the bitter vets.

Which is why EVE rocks.

None of that learning to walk and crapping your diapers and waiting for mommy to change it BS, no "nocturnal emissions" screwing up multiple sets of underwear as you hit puberty, no watching every slutty chick in your high school bang everyone EXCEPT you, no embarrassing middle school boners when your hot teacher bends over you to check your work (damn you Mr Johnson...I mean, I mean MISSES JOHNSON, MISSES!), none of that bully on the play ground taking your lunch money in front of the little girls who will eventually become the slutty chicks that won't bang you, no being told Santa ain't real and even if he was no white guy with presents is gonna step foot in this neighborhood etc etc.

Nope, none of that nonsense. Just born at 21, straight to the beer, blow and hookers. EVE kicks ass.