EVE General Discussion

Which is a valuation judgment that the player makes. To you, it is not on par with other experiences. For someone else, it may be. it may be all they have time for, or it may legitimately be interesting to them. That it is not interesting to you is immaterial. Encouraging people to experience the whole game is fine. But passing judgment on how they play, or which part they play, or any other matter that is their choice is simply fallacious.

It most certainly is. Platonic Idealism has very little to do with anything. He mistakenly identified abstracting with purifying and concepts with entities....that's it really. He inverted the relationship between his Forms, which he thought were a pure form of the objects in this world that were missing something compared with that form; truth of the matter is that abstracting is the taking away of details and so the form is less than the real object.

As to the idea that there's a world of forms with an omniscient entity ruling over them all...that's pure religion, not philosophy. It doesn't help anything, it only invents new shadows and new chains. It's only arrogance that then allows one to claim that people not buying into your inventions are saddled with preconceptions and illusions, unable to break beyond.

I don't know if Plato spent his time in a useful manner or not. Creating a University seems like a useful pursuit to me. What I do know is that his treatises are a lot more about what's wrong with everyone else than any real inward looking. Perhaps it is difficult to blame him after watching an entire populace turn on one of the greatest thinkers of all time and murder him, but still--inventing Form World and implying that everyone ELSE is in chains and blinded by illusions is not very self-reflective.

Blaming it on Socrates isn't exactly legit either. There is a very clear difference between Socratic philosophy and Platonic. That Plato wrote words into Socrates's mouth should not imply that he actually said those things. It was a common practice of the age to make your arguments in the character of philosophical leaders; many still do it when they pit Socrates and Plato (or others) against each other in argument. The main difference you can see between the two versions of Socrates, the probably real one and Plato's characterization of him, is that the former asked a lot of questions while the latter had more answers. Socrates wouldn't have invented "forms" and other woo but instead shattered the preconceptions of his day by asking irritating questions.

So no, Platonic Idealism and Form World cannot likely be "blamed" on Socrates, especially since his other students didn't all go down the same path as Plato.

If you have a goal, even jsut saving for new ships (which the OP specifically listed), the question doesn't apply to you.

I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null, lowsec, or WH space and that never engage other plays i any form of social interaction.

This is not for the high sec indy or mining type of people that actively engage in interactions with other people this is a question for the people that.


A. gather large sums of isks and in turn do nothing with it

a1 - Incursion runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.( the type that don't speak and might as well be automated)

a2 - Mission runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.

a3 - Miners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.

These are the people i want answers to my question from.

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Why is it you play EvE if you take no larger roll in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets.

Is there something you do with this isk?

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This question was spawned from reading a thread about removing incursions from high sec* and seeing the large amounts of people saying they will never go to lowsec or null for any reason, but don't do any thing in high sec besides farm isks.


* ( i still view the best change for high sec incursions as a reduction in raw isk pay outs and a increase in the LP pay out)

If you don't have a goal, you are just seeking mindless gratification. Like someone who takes drugs, for instance.

Shouldn't need to be implied, it's just silly.

Well, no...did not imply they were incompatible. I implied they were not the same.

On the other hand, religious thinking and philosophical thinking are quite clearly incompatible. One might be capable of both but one cannot pursue both with the same ambition nor practice both at the same time.

and....what?

Flat out stated it actually, and it is pretty obvious. The further and further he got, the less and less like his former teacher he was even to the point of eventually no longer using him in character. You think just because he hated change that he was immune from changing or something?

And actually, Plato never really had the same philosophy as Socrates. Some people believe that the words of Socrates were Plato's in the early works, but I simply find too much difference between the two to believe that.

Nope. A little baffling how you arrive there actually.

At least you got the main gist though.