EVE General Discussion

First off, let me say that you would make a great CEO. :)

Second, NO has a base in the next system. They haven't been in our system since we provided a little negative energy, but I can't always be on line, which means our miners lose the Orca, the Obelisk, and the two Scorpions. I can't blame them for not wanting to mine under those conditions. They need mining skills, and ISK, so they can get into Exhumers. I can protect them when I am on, but . . . you know the rest.

You need to be realistic about the skills they have and the skills they need. What am I supposed to do? Tell them to stay in station until the can fly a gank-proof exhumer? How many people do you think I would have left if I did that?

That's wonderful . . . for you. We don't have the skills or ships to do that. And that isn't what we do, anyway.

One of us has a problem. Let the other posters decide who it is.

Believe it or not, that's something we try to avoid. We've been in the same system for 3 years. If you don't get along with the neighbors, bad things can happen, especially to new pilots who are still trying to decide whether they want to play this game or not.

If our scout warps into a belt with other miners in it, we don't go there. We don't need to anyway.

Certainly, your way works, but what does it do to your Karma? :)

Personally, I would rather come back as a miner, than a rock.

hell you pay me enough i will PvE, PvP, mine, run courier contracts take you on sightseeing tours around provi, water your plants (refuel your pos) whatever

but the fact is is going to be expensive why should PvEer's/PvPer's sit around all day for what i'm guessing is peanuts so my rates are simple 100 mil a hour that's how much i make doing other things on average why should i take a pay cut to babysit

a lot of people seam to not understand this but when i am moving stuff for people in my jumpfreighter its not just the fuel they need to pay for its my time the same is true when i'm asked to run links for a dam mining fleet (god i regret training to do that) though i do take a pay cut for that. you need to pay the problem is people who need protecting tend to make less per hour than i can ratting and doing sites so why would i want to sit there babysitting for less isk?

Very well said.

Now, how long did it take you? I am assuming more than a month, because my personal miner spent more than a year getting close to the skills you have.

The point I am trying to make is that it can't be done in a month, and a lot of people in this thread can't seem to grasp that.

I would also like to make the point that your first goal was Perfect Miner. Not Perfect PvPer.

That is another concept that most posters here don't seem to be able to grasp.

YOU made it work, and I believe that most players could do it too.

As far as I am concerned, you focused on the right skills, in the right order.

If you don't mind, I will make this a Corp Bulletin for the mining corp, credited to you.

One option could be to encourage your members to train Mining Foreman III, Siege Warfare III, and Armored Warfare III. It's just over 1 day of training for all of that, and while the boosts aren't spectacular they would still be able to fleet up and get mining and defensive boosts no matter who was online.

And really, I think I would encourage your miners to get their core skills up before going into an Exhumer (Looking through the Mastery skills for their mining barge under show info is a great direction to point them in. They won't need all of the skills, but I think it covers most of the ones that are really good to have, and mastery III should be plenty to have a very solid core skillset, although it's admittedly a long train for someone just starting. Maybe go through and cherry-pick some skills out of that that you think would be good)

And for dealing with NO, a tanked mining barge isn't impervious to ganks by any means (especially with retrievers and covetors since they have so little fitting room to put on a solid tank), but it can be the difference between gankers going for your new members' ships and going for the max-yield untanked ships next to them. With a solid income supply and lots of experience, max yield is a very valid option if you can accept the trade-offs (being an easier target) but for a new player a good tank, tanked against the damage typically dealt by gankers, really is going to be important.

Also I would encourage your new players to mine ore rather than ice unless you have enough fleet support online to get a good mining op going (so your Orca for boosts and whatever other support ships you want.) Ice belts, while more lucrative, are also easier marks for gankers since it's a more concentrated supply of max-yield miners all in one easy to find spot.

Anyways, here's an easy to fit Retriever that has a decent tank even with just the skills you start with (should be enough to stop a solo-catalyst gank, although in 0.5 and 0.6 it may still not be enough with low skills) and it doesn't sacrifice much yield at all. Even though I can fly Exhumers I still go with this fit (with T2 mining modules, a second shield rig instead of the CPU rig, and better drones) simply because the cost to gank for 2 Catalysts is pretty much the cost of the mining barge, so there's not much to be gained from going after it.

Note that there is a Damage Control II. Encourage your miners to train for that as soon as possible. It's always going to be useful, and trying to put on a meta Damage Control is just too expensive to make any sense.




Also, this is VERY important, encourage your miners to NOT spout off in local after being ganked or send mail to the gankers. That just puts your entire corp/alliance in the spotlight and draws attention for more gankers to come after you, putting all of your miners at risk. Either have your miner say nothing at all and let them know that the corp will try to help with replacing the ship if needed, or they can just say "gf o7" and leave it at that.

Basically the last thing you want is to get into an argument about how terrible James315 is and how NO is extorting miners everywhere and have no life and you're going to petition CCP to have them banned. They'll find that absolutely hilarious and gank you more just so they can hear more of your miners vent their frustration. Let your members know that a gank is not the end of the world, just accept that it happened, the corp will help replace the ship so it's not actually a big deal, and move on.


Also I don't know how you're handling your Orca, but it's not a bad idea to have your Orca boosting character in an NPC corp. Then you don't have to worry about an awoxer killing it. But then you said you've got a person running security on corp applications, so it's up to you if you think that's something to worry about.

Point proven. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

You sure about that?

One individual opinion backed up with numbers outweighs knee-jerk or "I feel" consensus every time.