EVE General Discussion

That was a great wee read m8, ty

I remember this idea, didn't remember who posted it, it was quite a long time ago. And what happened? Nothing.

You said amount of work needed for PVE content is huge in comparison to how fast it gets old news and people want more new stuff. Well, I ask again: why keep PVE around at all? What's the point of keeping this shadow of a feature around for those who "just want to shoot red crosses in peace"? Because their golems are nice gank targets? Oh please, missions are run constantly 23.5/7 and only fraction of bling gets exploded there.

Nobody reasonable asks for themepark, at least I don't but FFS don't tell me PVE is fine as it is. Rats are borderline stupid, their ships have bonkers fits, they spawn in exactly same places and exactly same order and exactly same configurations, agents need to speak with you face to face while you can see if guy at the other side of universe is online or not. AI is not an easy thing to implement properly and balance but 3 other things? C'mon, fixing them would get rid of eve-survival for good, more ships would explode so more would be bought and built, maybe people would fleet up more willingly (especially if rewards would scale up with fleet size), no more predictable and calculated up to nanosecond ISK/h min maxing.

Would it be so terrible?

Not much, WoW is crap these days.

Maybe some lessons in what not to do. Actually what not to do is probably the best lessons from WoW.

If you were to make of list of things to do in both games, they would be 90% percent the same, based on EVE's list of known items and SC's list of promised items.

Although the game appears to be on track, that's not the point. The point is game time. I can't think of a single reason to login to EVE once EVE 2.0 comes out in the form of SC or Valkyrie.

SC will not deliver on its promises. It might give you a rudimentary space sim but it's not going to be balanced, immersive, or vast. Several of its design principles are contradictory (it wants to allow people to play on their own servers, yet advertizes MMO gameplay value on official servers). Every time game development fails to live up to expectations and hype instead of scaling back the scope of their project they just continue to promise even more than before.

Probably. It's what happens in connection with any long-awaited high-profile IP.
And SCII did cause a predictable dip in PCUs if I remember correctly. Also predictably, it lasted all of one week… which admittedly is more than many supposed EVE-killer MMOs have managed.

Obviously you don't have an alt in RUN Corp.


No, it's actually you that's not paying attention and more importantly, you're wrong. You're not in RUN Corp and you definitely don't have inside info on every aspect of this game.

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Granted it may not be as good as it could be, but the Advanced Military Career Agent missions do indeed give New Players a basic introduction to various aspects of PvP / Fleet mechanics. Not to mention it does more than just casually mention Factional Warfare, it gives players a cert to fast-track them into FW.

As for the Level 1 Epic Arc, there's 3 distinct missions that New Players have a very tough time with and usually ask for help to complete :

Burning Down the Hive
Chasing Shadows
Our Man Dagan

Time to idle my Jita alt.

I was wondering the same thing. I ran a new alt through the tutorials about 6 months ago. You get introduced to webs and scrams, that's about it.

With reference to FW, you mean the graduation certificate that I've got for every character actually has a use?

It actually WOULD be a very good idea to make some of the PVP oriented noob corps into optional starter corporations. I would fancy that to be a career choice for players. Those in the starter navy academies can stick with it to go onto factional warfare, and those looking for something open ended could choose player corps.

It's a bit of a speed bump, this starting in an NPC corp. On the one hand, if noobs got shunted to player corps there will be those who will make it their game to AWOX and rob others entirely out of it. So a player corporation taking noobs should have some standards and be given some esteem to their effort.

How exactly that would work I have no idea.


Long have I wondered if there would ever be "PVP missions" of the sort of flavor where you take a mission that occurs in a deadspace pocket where your goal in the mission is the opposite of the goal of another player who also got a mission in the same exact pocket. These deadspace pockets could be free for all zones. I suggested something comparable in F&I regarding deep space.

But I get the impression that working elements of lowsec and nullsec into highsec, even in a controlled manner, has some aversion to it. Perhaps it's simply in the doctrine of the game (and those who guide it) that such a thing would take away from highsec wardec and merc contracts/bounties and so they won't consider it?

Still an actual "PVP" mission would not be bad. Level 1-2 PVP missions having special gates that basically amount to 1v1s and 3-4 would be small gang PVP missions. Level 5 would be fleet PVP missions. Have a payout higher than "standard" solo missions to dangle the carrot and even the highsec crowd can start getting the taste of blood and find out that they will not be found dead and slumped over their computer because someone shot their space pixels. They might even like it and stick around instead of getting bored to death (then be found dead at their computer).