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Nestor Complete Re-Work

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Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2014-08-06 21:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Grunnax Aurelius
As you all already know the Nestor is currently on CCP's table to be completely Re-Worked as it is completely useless at the moment.

For those of you who don't know, the reason it is useless is the following reasons:
- 465m Sigradius on Base......
- Capacitor Issues
- Rep Range is still too short
- If you fit the right amount of damage, you dont have the right amount of tank and visa-versa .

Here is what I propose.

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount
400% bonus to remote armor repairer range
50% bonus to remote capacitor transmitter amount (New)
400% bonus to remote capacitor transmitter range (New)
Has a 5,000m Fitting Service (New)

Slot layout: 6H, 5M, 8L; 0 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: (TBD) PWG, (TBD) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8,000(8900) / 12,000(9950) / 8,000(9900)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 7000 / 1025 / 7
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 / .18 / 56000000 / 13.97
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 400m
Cargo Capacity: 700

Also Nesto should be no more between 500 - 600mil, their current cost is BS

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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#2 - 2014-08-06 21:45:23 UTC
Aehm, can you include current stats in ( ), makes it all easier to evaluate this.
Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2014-08-06 21:53:16 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Aehm, can you include current stats in ( ), makes it all easier to evaluate this.


Edited

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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#4 - 2014-08-06 22:06:05 UTC
fitting service on BS is a big NO

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#5 - 2014-08-06 22:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
I meant everything like:

Slot layout: 6 (7) H, 5 (6) M, 8 (6) L; 0 (7) turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: (11.250) PG, (680) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8,000 (8900) / 12,000 (9950) / 8,000 (9900)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : (7000) / (1025) / (7)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): (92) / (.18) / 56000000 / (13.97)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): (125) / (500)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): (75)km / 85 (125) /(7)
Sensor strength: (24) Magnetometric
Signature radius: 400m (465)
Cargo Capacity: (700) m3

Role bonuses:
(50)% bonus to remote armor repairer amount
400% (200%) bonus to remote armor repairer range
50% bonus to remote capacitor transmitter amount (New)
400% bonus to remote capacitor transmitter range (New)
Has a 5,000m Fitting Service (New)

Since you changed the slot layout, launchers etc. and left PG and CPU untouched. This would have been my first interest, since I found it hard to fit anything, but you removed all high weapon slot all together, so I guess I would not need PG and CPU anymore °°

Am also skeptical about a fitting service ... well, doesn't work cloaked or flying solo. But with your layout, flying solo is not really an issue either. And am not sure you need m3 for a fitting service anyway.

There have also been issues with BS logistic suggestions here a lot, so making it a BS Guardian is a no-go. The range was good as it is on reps and this means a no to cap generation,
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#6 - 2014-08-06 22:21:50 UTC
Grunnax Aurelius wrote:
Also Nesto should be no more between 500 - 600mil, their current cost is BS


That's determined by the market. Not even CCP can dictate this under current mechanics. However, you can nudge it along, but really the price is typical of faction ships and equipment. There is no issue here.

Anyone remember Machariels costing over a bill? I do, and guess what? They don't anymore, because they're not in demand anymore. Great! Glad we understand some basic economics now. Next up, heavy inflation is bad for the little guy, mmmkay?
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#7 - 2014-08-06 22:26:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Kaerakh wrote:
Grunnax Aurelius wrote:
Also Nesto should be no more between 500 - 600mil, their current cost is BS


That's determined by the market. Not even CCP can dictate this under current mechanics. However, you can nudge it along, but really the price is typical of faction ships and equipment. There is no issue here.

Anyone remember Machariels costing over a bill? I do, and guess what? They don't anymore, because they're not in demand anymore. Great! Glad we understand some basic economics now. Next up, heavy inflation is bad for the little guy, mmmkay?

I disagree, since The basic costs depend on LPS and SoE have the highest and its what 600.000 mil LP ? This makes it basic 1.2 bil +. And most LP run for SoE are in High Sec, so there is your basis for it. But lets not haggle about the price while the while ship is still in a mess.

@edit: I assumed you meant the market also controls the value below production cost, which came up before a lot and ppl saying it will drop to 600mil if nobody uses it. Which I pointed out was ludicrous since nobody would build them for 1,3 bil and then sell them for lack of demand for less then half. - Forgive me if I jumped ahead and cut that away ,)
Bullet Therapist
FT Cold Corporation
#8 - 2014-08-06 22:30:29 UTC
I hope there's room on the table for the rest of the battleships and CBCs. Though, out of all of them, the Nestor is probably the saddest story.
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#9 - 2014-08-06 23:00:21 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Grunnax Aurelius wrote:
Also Nesto should be no more between 500 - 600mil, their current cost is BS


That's determined by the market. Not even CCP can dictate this under current mechanics. However, you can nudge it along, but really the price is typical of faction ships and equipment. There is no issue here.

Anyone remember Machariels costing over a bill? I do, and guess what? They don't anymore, because they're not in demand anymore. Great! Glad we understand some basic economics now. Next up, heavy inflation is bad for the little guy, mmmkay?

I disagree, since The basic costs depend on LPS and SoE have the highest and its what 600.000 mil LP ? This makes it basic 1.2 bil +. And most LP run for SoE are in High Sec, so there is your basis for it. But lets not haggle about the price while the while ship is still in a mess.


By that argument the price of a product never changes. Roll I never denied that CCP has an influence. I denied that they have control.
LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#10 - 2014-08-06 23:44:23 UTC
Yes the nestor needs a change, though it should not have a fitting service. The rest of the changes are fine but I tend to shy away from suggesting exact numbers, just give CCP an idea and let them do all the balancing (They get it right *most* of the time).
Mario Putzo
#11 - 2014-08-06 23:46:53 UTC
make it a black ops logistic ship.
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-08-07 00:13:10 UTC
i kinda like you idea, though i am not 100% sold on the fitting service i can see where your coming from.

The SoE line were decent exploration/covert ops ships then along came the nestor giving it a covert ops cloak would instantly make the ship op as hell. the idea of giving it a fitting service kinda works in keeping in line with the original idea of a exploration ship operation in deep space/ Wormholes

i do feel though that it would make the ship to versatile kinda like a mini carrier with that 500Mb drone bay, bonus to remote reps and a fitting service.

if it was made that the fitting service could only be used if both the nestor and ship that wants to refit were both unaggressed this should include the remote reps.

alternatively turn it into the first faction black ops

TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2014-08-07 00:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
how many people are going to keep saying the nestor is, change it.

How about you take the ship and use it as is. it isn't that bad, it only costs more than it is worth.

Snip, Please refrain from profanities - ISD Atomic Dove
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-08-07 00:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakaari Inkuran
TheMercenaryKing wrote:


How about you take the ship and use it as is. it isn't that bad, it only costs more than it is worth.

I don't even know what its supposed to be used for. Is it a squishy repper or a wh explorer or a anom clearer or a hacker or a hostile nullspace diver or a drone boat?

Oh yeah and it sucks at all of those anyway.
Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2014-08-07 01:24:50 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
i kinda like you idea, though i am not 100% sold on the fitting service i can see where your coming from.

The SoE line were decent exploration/covert ops ships then along came the nestor giving it a covert ops cloak would instantly make the ship op as hell. the idea of giving it a fitting service kinda works in keeping in line with the original idea of a exploration ship operation in deep space/ Wormholes

i do feel though that it would make the ship to versatile kinda like a mini carrier with that 500Mb drone bay, bonus to remote reps and a fitting service.

if it was made that the fitting service could only be used if both the nestor and ship that wants to refit were both unaggressed this should include the remote reps.

alternatively turn it into the first faction black ops



The only thing that could be really powerful with the fitting service is the ability to use a fleet of nestors like mini slowcat archons with the ability to swap out damage for max tank when focused Twisted yes this is why I suggested the fitting service Big smile.

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#16 - 2014-08-07 02:24:38 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
make it a black ops logistic ship.

That idea gives me tingles up and down my spine. Exciting, thrilling, new! The Nestor would certainly have a more justifiable price at 1.2 billion in that case.

But I do believe that won't happen.

Still... wishing is fun.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.

Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2014-08-07 09:48:41 UTC
this dea looks nice except fitting services.

for those who want it as a black-ops logistics ship hell no for that they should tweak the sin if it's really needed in my opinnion it's not.
while at it put the hull itself on hte art table again casue o nstats and looks ccp must have had a eat xtc all day theme night at work.

rebalance a bs that is what ccp can but when it comes of inventing a wheel or fire it seems a bit hard at current.
but i stay hopefull.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#18 - 2014-08-07 10:29:07 UTC
Bakuhz wrote:
this dea looks nice except fitting services.

for those who want it as a black-ops logistics ship hell no for that they should tweak the sin if it's really needed in my opinnion it's not.
while at it put the hull itself on hte art table again casue o nstats and looks ccp must have had a eat xtc all day theme night at work.

rebalance a bs that is what ccp can but when it comes of inventing a wheel or fire it seems a bit hard at current.
but i stay hopefull.



Um... what?
Claud Tiberius
#19 - 2014-08-07 11:29:59 UTC
Ore are mostly shield tanked or rely on shields more than armour as the buffer. So armour tanking the Nestor doesn't make sense. You should use a Caldari shield bonus.

Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.

Saeka Tyr
Sanctuary of Shadows
#20 - 2014-08-07 11:45:50 UTC
I very much like the idea of the nestor being a blops-bridgable logi.


I continue to want it to have a covops cloak but that's neither here nor there, I suppose.
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