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There is a point in here, which is that arrangements like my previous corp's, where we lived in a C2 and ran sites off our C5 static, will become more difficult to sustain. C2s are PVP generators out of proportion to their class, mostly because their residents tend to send fleets into high end holes and into lowsec and nullsec, so this could be a double nerf. We already had plenty of excitement when we had to rage-roll a static opening into a hole with a giant, hungry corp in it whose online fleet was double the size of our corp. And if we failed, well, that was pretty much it for the next few hours at least.

I don't see that getting easier.

What would be much funnier is a mass / time since last jump calculation. If you send one ship through, it won't end up too far from the hole, though large ships will be somewhat farther away. If you send two large ships through in quick succession, the second ends up significantly further away then if just one had gone through. If you pile a large number of subcaps through a hole at once, they get scattered all around the hole. Small fleets of 1-3 ships can carry on as before (except that Orcas, freighters and capitals still end up farther away than they currently do), while large fleets have a choice to make. Newbies in frigates and hunters in T3s are largely unaffected.

As a major part of a small wormhole corporation (which recently increased in size). It has been very hard to catch people rolling holes connected to us. There's always been too big of a fleet on the other side to grab the orca or even attempt at attacking them. Adding distance to the jumping will make it more interesting, a long burn back to the hole, throw enough burst dps at the orca, and they could lose it if they remain on the other side. Yes, this will make locking holes harder. That is the point, and its well needed.

As for the little frigate holes... They sound very fun. Sure, mining and pve are going to be more of a ***** IF YOU HAVE ONE. But the solution is simple, can't close it, watch it. Oh god there's going to be a connection i can't close, where little pop-tarts can come through? ..Make them leave in their pods then.

Theres a lot of new content packed into here for wormhole dwellers and roamers. Anyone who says otherwise is naive.

- The major driver of content in eve is other players. If you're forever alone in wormholes, what fun is your HIC or other shinny pvp ships? Changing up the rules in wormholes is adding new content. If you can't agree with that, try this. The frigate holes, that's NEW. The mass jump distance, that's new, and hell: Black holes are basically new now. (who used them?)

Take a step back and look at what CCP is doing, there is plunty more content in wormholes. "Oh god oh god! they didn't give me a new ship to shoot people with? or a new module to better control my hole? RAGE!" Content isn't always about more ****. With these new changes, and added wormholes, its going to give you something new. Frigate roams are going to become more popular, and a better chance to waste them with rapid lights or small weapons, fast tracking, drones, etc. Is that not something new to do?

Come on everyone, chill the hell down. Look at all the angles, even ones you may not like. No, CCP did not do these changes for you. They did it to make the game more enjoyable and connect more players.

While I'm excited by some of these changes to WH space, even as someone who's only been living in w-space for the last year or so (and in a higher-class WH only for a couple months)… I do have to admit to some substantial trepidation over the mass/distance proposal. On the one hand, I can definitely see how it can promote fights (we ourselves have experienced the frustration of watching carriers blink away and collapse a hole just as we land on grid), and even how it can switch things up for habitual cap-killers (since cap trios will almost never end up in formation upon jumping through). On the other hand, I feel like it may disproportionately affect smaller/less established corps, who may genuinely want to play the game in the way it's meant to be played, but whose mere existence depends to a large extent on being able to control the terms of their engagements.

I could see it working, since while that change would increase risk, it could also substantially mitigate it by increasing the distance between yourself and an incoming hostile fleet (in the same way that jump gates do now). Also, rage-rolled connections may become less common, and many of our random connections are empty anyway (or in nullsec), so maybe it will average out to be about as safe in the long run but with bursts of increased danger… You can never really predict how people will adapt to a new feature!

Basically, what it boils down to is, I worry that it could force some smaller corps to back completely out of this part of the game if it's not handled just right, but I'm also not entirely opposed? I wonder if, maybe, it could instead start with a smaller distance, get feedback, then increase it to the proposed distances here if everything seems to be going well…?

Way to **** with Wormholers fozzy. sooo glad you came up some arbitrary distance to come out of a wormhole and for what? 'Cause rolling wormholes is too easy' aka 'to **** on wormholers'. Outfucking standing. fixing **** that isnt broken. you guys should just call yourselves ccp blizzard. maybe you should spend your time adding actual NEW content instead of making its even more difficult to run a C5.

So CCP supporting emergent behavior is kind of a lie. They only support certain kinds of emergent behavior and if you pick and choose what kind of behavior you allow and that which you take corrective action for I don't see how you can claim to support emergent gameplay. I'm not saying it's a problem I'm just saying it's a lie.

Your emergent behavior prejudice seems to be tilted towards the pro-destruction side of things. You seem more than happy to support any type of behavior that increases carnage and seem to correct many activities that players create to reduce their own risk of loss or in some other way provide a more safe environment.

So you start off the Dev blog claiming to support emergent behavior regardless of if intended or not and I'm not even at the end of this blog yet and already I see where you guys are creating a new class of wormhole that only lets frigs through and regenerates to make it so that players can't make entrance to their systems extremely difficult and then go on to claim that change is to support emergent behavior when what it is doing is nerfing emergent behavior.

Again I don't have any problem with the change it's self I'm only speaking here to the Orwelian double speak.

I cannot support this update, as one who lives in WH space currently and explores WH space. I like the changes to system bonuses, Changes in random warp in alright. Adding these small WHs within WHs for small ships to fly and battle in cool neat somewhat, probably won't be to huge but I can see it being useful. However you want to add more WH entrances, then make them harder to crash and make life riskier without adding any content or improving gain from living there? This will end in more players moving away from WH space and the activity in both PVE and PVP going down. Reason who are you going to kill if the residents are gone or sitting afk in there POS, If there is no one to kill or pvp with then what's the purpose of you pvpers coming there again? Because if you start taking away there false security without increase to gain then people will play safer which ends in less activity or most likely become inactive or leave.

All this update is, is change not content.

Most changes look good but
Mass change: -1
I can't see small corps risking closing their WH entrances off with caps after this change. Simply too risky. Large corps can certainly continue to do it as they have enough numbers to adequately defend their large ships while sending their orcas and dreads and such through.

If small corps can't close their holes efficiently, they will have to 1) stop their farming which fuels their existence 2) seek each other out and form larger corporations/alliances. That is certainly what we need in EVE. This is similar to the fuel increases for j-freighters. Who's the target? Just keep making it harder for small corps and what's the point trying to be accomplished? I really don't see this generating fights, maybe some ganks at first but not many fights.

Admiral root makes a good point. Without new content you get no new players - no new explorers. If noobies came for the legendary PVP, that's dried up and out of reach for them... all that's left to increase the populace is new content. Each expansion that has new content can bring old players back and new players in.

In this case new explorers into WH space. That will add content for everyone. W-space is like Nullsec - owned by groups with advanced out-of -game tools they invented. How can new people possibly succeed in even small ways against that?

I find the changes very very timid and not attractive to none WHers.

Just to clear things up, as im sure your aware, you really dont need to be in a WH to make (shovel) isk
A goon complaining about other peeps making isk (*cough moons*) is quite funny tho

Please dont import all the problems of sov space into wh.