EVE General Discussion

Awww, /sadface.
Well, I may not have been more elite at the age of six than the modern gamer, but there's a good chance I am more gullible at 29.

On a side note, NPE, say it stays in its current format aka exploration/industry/military etc, why not at the end of each branch completion award some skill points, worth of say a total of 5 million sp at the completion of doing all tutorials? but you can only spend them in certain areas?

I see nothing wrong with this to be honest. A slight expedition wouldn't change much in the grand scheme of things, but would make the first few days a bit less "bleh".
Really, it's no worse than the people who can afford to buy the Cerebral Accelerators or whatever for their alts.

Nope, PVE is not ok as it is because it simply is a stub of what it could be. I don't negate 11 years of devs work, they must be doing something right to keep all those people around but I am tired of that argument that doing anything for activities that don't involve direct ships combat is a waste of time. What is a real waste of time is arguing about those things here among players who can do exactly jack sh!t about anything.

Devs ignore mission running just as they ignore mining in terms of engaging gameplay. Tell me with straight face it's not true. We get MTU and ESS and buffed up ships but gameplay around two huge parts of PVE stays untouched since years. We got mini game and loot vomit which recently got removed because it was clear how idiotic it was.

For me it's clear message that PVE doesn't matter in grand scheme of things so why continue to pretend otherwise? We can post back and forth logical and sarcastic arguments but in the end of the day everything stays exactly the same. Until soon(tm).

Yes but in other MMOs the devs don't tend to pay as much attention to those ideas proposed by players. There are two good reasons to not pay to much attention to player wishes:

1. Players are selfish and will continuously ask for changes that benefit themselves even if it hurts the game overall.

2. Players don't have access to internal metrics that developers do and so players are prone to making poor decisions out of lack of incite into internal game mechanics.

Well, it's official, I'm an old timer.

I also now have a legitimate reason for looking down on this generation of "gamers". Because turns out my instinct is right, they are genuinely worse than I am.

[edit: Oh, THANK GOD it's fake. Seriously, this would have been a serious source of depression in the near future. I'm still better than other people though. :P

if its non supressable and takes up the whole screen, while you are in space id be ok with it

What I gather from the article is that the millenials can't handle a complex game, of which Eve is quite the definition of (times 10000).

Looking at the children playing Angry Birds over the last few years and control of a handheld device (smart phone) more complex than a Pentium from 14 years ago reduced to simple tap and swipe, I don't think things will be changing towards a more positive direction.

Pointy pointy clicky clicky instant gratification.

The problem may well be the retention of older players. But while capsuleers are implied to be immortal, real life takes them out faster than the sharpest gate camp crew. The game is 11 years old, younger people who started out them grew up and probably don't have time (or are just whipped - maybe they'll be back after the divorce because that's the inevitability of being whipped) or have moved on to other forms of entertainment. If they have kids for example, who wants to miss playing with their kids? Once they grow up, that's it. And if you were playing MMOs instead you never get a chance with the kids again (unless you have more).

On the angle of vet retention, CCP may be competing with maturity.

On the angle of new player retention, CCP may be competing with, or dealing with, degenerative culture of dumbing down and quick (I want it NAOW!) gratification.

The vets have RL taking them away, the kids are too impatient and stupid to stay.


(I don't want to hear from the exceptions there's always exceptions so stop with the fake humility trying to defend your low intelligence peers from my comments)

Please stop shoveling that Bullcrap. In all my years of playing I have never seen anyone state that crap in RUN Corp. When a new player complains about getting blown up in low sec, one of the first questions asked is what were they doing and how was their ship fitted. After getting pointers on basic ship fitting, info is usually posted on how to be safer. Along with other links here's some of my favorite ones to post :

Rookie Lowsec Survival Guide

Safe Spot

Directional Scanner Guide

Star Map

Factional Warfare

Joining A Corporation

New Players are also informed they can get more info guides via Google, Uniwiki, Evelopedia, etc.

As for the NPE, granted it could be made better but it doesn't just cover Mining and running Missions. It also covers basic Industry, Trade, Exploration as well as basic PvP / Factional Warfare. I usually encourage new players to complete all 5 Career Agents along with the Level 1 Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc to allow them time to train up Core Fitting skills. That also gives them time to decide on a career path, not to mention making them a nice chunk of ISK. Also there's a few missions in the Level 1 Epic Arc that New Players need help to complete, basically introducing them to working with others doing Fleet action.

What I usually hear New Players complain about is all the reading and searching for required info right at the start. I just tell them doing a little bit of research first helps a lot which get's easier after a while. Definitely don't be afraid to ask for help and to always remember the 5 P's = Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance.


DMC

And I have an alt in every Amarr and Gallente NPC corp(confirmed altaholic). With the exception of CAS, who have a good attitude, I have seen plenty of people state precisely that crap.

"just go mine until you can afford a battleship"

"don't into lowsec, that's just for griefers"

"suicide gankers should be banned"

"you can't pvp without ten million skillpoints"

And other such defeatist, alienating crap.