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TharOkha
0asis Group
#261 - 2014-08-06 12:36:22 UTC
Anal Canal wrote:
Connor McNash wrote:
As a new player who just subbed this week, and was killed in my Venture as a result of this competition, I want to let you know that I will be demanding a refund if CCP does not act on this competiton to grief new players. Ventures mining in Security 0.9 zones are not seasoned veterans. Some of my friends are also new players considering subscribing. I assure you, they are having second thoughts if this game sanctions griefing.



Have you considered going the other direction and attempting to win the prize perchance? First place I am sure will easily pay for you and friend for a couple months.


Maybe he doesn't want to be a bottom feeder of EVE?

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#262 - 2014-08-06 12:44:27 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Anal Canal wrote:
Connor McNash wrote:
As a new player who just subbed this week, and was killed in my Venture as a result of this competition, I want to let you know that I will be demanding a refund if CCP does not act on this competiton to grief new players. Ventures mining in Security 0.9 zones are not seasoned veterans. Some of my friends are also new players considering subscribing. I assure you, they are having second thoughts if this game sanctions griefing.



Have you considered going the other direction and attempting to win the prize perchance? First place I am sure will easily pay for you and friend for a couple months.


Maybe he doesn't want to be a bottom feeder of EVE?



If he is mining, then he already is.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#263 - 2014-08-06 13:10:59 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Anal Canal wrote:
Connor McNash wrote:
As a new player who just subbed this week, and was killed in my Venture as a result of this competition, I want to let you know that I will be demanding a refund if CCP does not act on this competiton to grief new players. Ventures mining in Security 0.9 zones are not seasoned veterans. Some of my friends are also new players considering subscribing. I assure you, they are having second thoughts if this game sanctions griefing.



Have you considered going the other direction and attempting to win the prize perchance? First place I am sure will easily pay for you and friend for a couple months.


Maybe he doesn't want to be a bottom feeder of EVE?



If he is mining, then he already is.


If he will be mining after one year of subscription then yes, he will be a bottom-feeder.

But mining in early days of EVE is not, as it is giving you a substantial amount of isk income (from the newbie point of view)

On the other hand..... Shooting few weeks old newbies in rookie mining ships is bottom feeding at its full glory Big smile

So... enjoy this "special Olympics of EVE" contest Big smile
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#264 - 2014-08-06 13:13:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
I strongly discourage new players from mining because that is time spent training into skills that do not translate into spaceships exploding, which is far more entertaining and exciting for new (and old) players.

TharOkha wrote:

So... enjoy this "special Olympics of EVE" contest Big smile


This is a stupid and offensive slur against Olympians and demeans the achievements of people who spend their lives training to compete in sporting endeavours. How many Olympic medals have you won?

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

TharOkha
0asis Group
#265 - 2014-08-06 13:23:10 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
I strongly discourage new players from mining because that is time spent training into skills that do not translate into spaceships exploding, which is far more entertaining and exciting for new (and old) players.

TharOkha wrote:

So... enjoy this "special Olympics of EVE" contest Big smile


This is a stupid and offensive slur against Olympians and demeans the achievements of people who spend their lives training to compete in sporting endeavours. How many Olympic medals have you won?


Its hilarious to read such pathetic words from person who is bottom feeding on newbies Blink
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#266 - 2014-08-06 13:27:14 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
I strongly discourage new players from mining because that is time spent training into skills that do not translate into spaceships exploding, which is far more entertaining and exciting for new (and old) players.

TharOkha wrote:

So... enjoy this "special Olympics of EVE" contest Big smile


This is stupid and offensive and demeans the achievements of people who spend their lives training to compete in sporting endeavours. How many Olympic medals have you won?


yeah because killing a week old venture pilot sounds real exciting and great encouragement for new players to even want to pvp, all i see this doing is killing any new players encouragement to even subscribe to the game, so great work you sound like your a l33t pvper

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#267 - 2014-08-06 13:28:10 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
I strongly discourage new players from mining because that is time spent training into skills that do not translate into spaceships exploding, which is far more entertaining and exciting for new (and old) players.

TharOkha wrote:

So... enjoy this "special Olympics of EVE" contest Big smile


This is a stupid and offensive slur against Olympians and demeans the achievements of people who spend their lives training to compete in sporting endeavours. How many Olympic medals have you won?


Its hilarious to read such pathetic words from person who is bottom feeding on newbies Blink

I'm not sure which words you're referring to, but as someone who has volunteered with the Special Olympics I can say I have a great deal of respect for the kids who compete in it. If you find their effort funny instead of admirable then it's your loss.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#268 - 2014-08-06 13:33:04 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Its hilarious to read such pathetic words from person who is bottom feeding on newbies Blink


LMFAO. I think he's got you there, Arkady. It's not like you belong to one of the most newbie-friendly groups in Eve or anything.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

TharOkha
0asis Group
#269 - 2014-08-06 13:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Derrick Miles wrote:

I'm not sure which words you're referring to, but as someone who has volunteered with the Special Olympics I can say I have a great deal of respect for the kids who compete in it. If you find their effort funny instead of admirable then it's your loss.


If im comparing this EVE contest to "special Olympics" and its contestants to "mentally disabled persons", that doesn't mean that i am making fun of RL disabled persons.

its like saying that i hate kids just because i said to someone that he is acting like a kid.
A:"stop acting like kid".....B: "LOOK, LOOK EVERYONE !!! ... HE HATE KIDS !!!!! "

Please stop spinning my posts ok? Blink And lets get back to discussion on how low this contest is
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#270 - 2014-08-06 14:55:13 UTC
goons are experts at spinning posts and diverting. when facts and numbers are shown they will grasp at any post they can to divert attention. that is why it is best to stay away from emotion filled posts and especially not to use metaphors or similes as they are particularly easy to turn negatively (as per the special Olympics topic, rather low even for a goon :/ )

if you want to make a point, post numbers and facts and first hand experiences, not easily corrupted metaphors or opinions.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#271 - 2014-08-06 15:00:05 UTC
I'm not a Goon but I do find comparing the Special Olympics to something you find simple or stupid to be distasteful. As for facts, I just recently posted that 136 new players have been killed during this event and if that's not a good enough fact for you then I don't know what is.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#272 - 2014-08-06 15:16:28 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm not a Goon but I do find comparing the Special Olympics to something you find simple or stupid to be distasteful. As for facts, I just recently posted that 136 new players have been killed during this event and if that's not a good enough fact for you then I don't know what is.


if thats an accurate number then thats pretty sad

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#273 - 2014-08-06 15:19:19 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm not a Goon but I do find comparing the Special Olympics to something you find simple or stupid to be distasteful. As for facts, I just recently posted that 136 new players have been killed during this event and if that's not a good enough fact for you then I don't know what is.

my apologies its hard to keep track of who says what on a phone. that said the fact part was not directed at you but rather the person who initially posted the Olympics bit. sorry if that was not clear but try not to take everything said to be directed at you. your fact bit is however what I was alluding to as to what is supposed to be posted.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#274 - 2014-08-06 15:26:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Owen Levanth
TharOkha wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Anal Canal wrote:
Connor McNash wrote:
As a new player who just subbed this week, and was killed in my Venture as a result of this competition, I want to let you know that I will be demanding a refund if CCP does not act on this competiton to grief new players. Ventures mining in Security 0.9 zones are not seasoned veterans. Some of my friends are also new players considering subscribing. I assure you, they are having second thoughts if this game sanctions griefing.



Have you considered going the other direction and attempting to win the prize perchance? First place I am sure will easily pay for you and friend for a couple months.


Maybe he doesn't want to be a bottom feeder of EVE?



If he is mining, then he already is.


If he will be mining after one year of subscription then yes, he will be a bottom-feeder.

But mining in early days of EVE is not, as it is giving you a substantial amount of isk income (from the newbie point of view)

On the other hand..... Shooting few weeks old newbies in rookie mining ships is bottom feeding at its full glory Big smile

So... enjoy this "special Olympics of EVE" contest Big smile


After a year of mining, a newbie would most likely just unsub, or be braindead thanks to mining being hilariously boring. Sure, it can be relaxing in small doses, but the best thing I can recommend to a new player would be taking a frigate or destroyer he/she likes and then go out and kill Ventures. Or do whatever, just don't mine all the time.

Also you seem to not get that this contest is open to everyone, including newbies. And the Venture is not just a rookie mining ship. W-Space corps use Ventures for gas mining in huge numbers, for example.

Or would you dismiss an Atron or a Condor as a "newbie-frigate", just because it is easy to train into one? (Some career-missions even give you combat-frigates, like other missions give you an industrial or a Venture.)

This contest is a neat idea to attract newbies and by the way, since newbies won't be as attached to their ships like a several-year-old mission runner with his blingy autism-chariot, so it will be easier for them to just go "Wait, I can win stuff by shooting at other Ventures? Cool! Where's my Catalyst again?"
Connor McNash
Light Force Rising Industries
#275 - 2014-08-06 21:16:46 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:


After a year of mining, a newbie would most likely just unsub, or be braindead thanks to mining being hilariously boring. Sure, it can be relaxing in small doses, but the best thing I can recommend to a new player would be taking a frigate or destroyer he/she likes and then go out and kill Ventures. Or do whatever, just don't mine all the time.

Also you seem to not get that this contest is open to everyone, including newbies. And the Venture is not just a rookie mining ship. W-Space corps use Ventures for gas mining in huge numbers, for example.

Or would you dismiss an Atron or a Condor as a "newbie-frigate", just because it is easy to train into one? (Some career-missions even give you combat-frigates, like other missions give you an industrial or a Venture.)

This contest is a neat idea to attract newbies and by the way, since newbies won't be as attached to their ships like a several-year-old mission runner with his blingy autism-chariot, so it will be easier for them to just go "Wait, I can win stuff by shooting at other Ventures? Cool! Where's my Catalyst again?"


Wow... You really need to get over yourself.

You claim that this so-called "contest" is open to public, but not once was it announced in rookie help, or in local chat for all the noobs to see. You are full of it, just like everyone else defending this competition in this thread. Let's assume they will find this thread and learn of the competition. According to your friend here...:

Capt Starfox wrote:

If you are a new player and you figured out these space forums even exist and you found the subtopic, then subthread that leads you to this wonderful player event, then you are on the right track, but you're probably an alt.


... That makes them an alt to a seasoned player, and not a rookie. So tell me again how this is open to rookies?

I assure you, the last thing on a rookie's mind after being ganked is, "Wait, I can win stuff by shooting at other Ventures? Cool! Where's my Catalyst again?"
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#276 - 2014-08-06 21:21:59 UTC
Connor McNash wrote:
You claim that this so-called "contest" is open to public, but not once was it announced in rookie help, or in local chat for all the noobs to see.


Ah, so you're now the sole arbiter of where competitions must be announced in order to qualify as open to the public? I shall make a note of this.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#277 - 2014-08-06 23:01:39 UTC  |  Edited by: CODE Agent AC
Connor McNash wrote:


Wow... You really need to get over yourself.

You claim that this so-called "contest" is open to public, but not once was it announced in rookie help, or in local chat for all the noobs to see. You are full of it, just like everyone else defending this competition in this thread. Let's assume they will find this thread and learn of the competition. According to your friend here...


I'll solve this within the hour. I mean if this is your last leg of the argument, I'll gladly do the work to alleviate your grievance.

EDIT: Because I messed up the quote thing.

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#278 - 2014-08-06 23:43:14 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm not a Goon but I do find comparing the Special Olympics to something you find simple or stupid to be distasteful. As for facts, I just recently posted that 136 new players have been killed during this event and if that's not a good enough fact for you then I don't know what is.


It is an interesting data point, but lacks context such as; how many ventures of players more than a few weeks old were killed in the same period, and how does that compare to previous months.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#279 - 2014-08-07 02:13:43 UTC
Connor McNash wrote:


Capt Starfox wrote:

If you are a new player and you figured out these space forums even exist and you found the subtopic, then subthread that leads you to this wonderful player event, then you are on the right track, but you're probably an alt.


... That makes them an alt to a seasoned player, and not a rookie. So tell me again how this is open to rookies?

I assure you, the last thing on a rookie's mind after being ganked is, "Wait, I can win stuff by shooting at other Ventures? Cool! Where's my Catalyst again?"


Connor McNash wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
.
If you are a new player and you figured out these space forums even exist and you found the subtopic, then subthread that leads you to this wonderful player event, then you are on the right track, but you're probably an alt.


Being new to a game does not mean I am new to gaming, or browsing forums for that matter. I AM new to EVE and am not an alt. I have friends who are experienced players, and they are guiding me to a degree, but they did not tell me what to do when a flashing red ship warps in and 2-shots me. There was absolutely no time for me to warp away if I even knew to...

I found the thread because someone in local chat made me aware of the competition and gave me a link.

What is the objective of this competition if not to deter new players from subscribing? You think this makes people excited to play? "Oh, I got killed by a player in a more powerful ship after I've been mining for the last 15 minutes, and lost half the stuff I had. Lets do that again! Yay! SO MUCH FUN FOR ME!" I promise you, that is not anyone's thought process...


Cool.. you quoted me twice for some reason.

If you are legitimately new, and I don't believe you are, then the fault would be on your "experienced players" friends for not making you more aware of Highsec gaming mechanics.

With that said

It is perfectly legal to have your starship space pixels exploded once you leave the "in and around rookie starting systems". The simple fact that you're so upset over losing a free Venture -assuming you did the rookie missions, and hey you're a rookie right- and not even your pod is just sad. Then demand CCP intervention for a refund, of what exactly? The ship? Your sub? Whatever, is indication enough that you found out you can't handle this game. You can go back to WoW now.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#280 - 2014-08-07 07:45:20 UTC
I really really don't understand the logic of "I lost a space ship in a space ship shooting game, I am not playing anymore". This is not even the level of "go back to WoW". You can die in WoW if memory serve correctly. Its more like go back to farmvile if you don't want anything bad to happen.

What is it that people want when they mine. I can write up a quick web site where they can click a button and a number next to a $ will increase each time. I will even put some pretty NASA images in background if you want.

newb or not. Player Player interaction is the whole point of a MMO. And a game where shooting other internet space pixels is a big part of the game, well yea expect to die every now and then.

AKA the scientist.

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Well fun is also good.