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My take on the current stagnation

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Namiene
Revenge Uprising
#41 - 2014-08-06 14:38:14 UTC
Its because of Summer but don't worry, "Winter is Coming..."
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-08-06 14:45:28 UTC
I need a score card to keep a running tally of those CCP naysayers claiming Eve is dying versus the CCP cheerleaders claiming Eve is and will be stronger than ever, soon.

Personally, I would LOVE to see Eve crash and burn. How appropriate a game touting the aspects of destruction over everything else going down in a flaming wreck by its very developers and player base going in square circles.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-08-06 14:49:14 UTC
Like I'm gonna read that 3 miles of drivel...I'm gonna say what it really means... "It's Summer"

The End...
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#44 - 2014-08-06 14:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Where are new players? Stagnation is for vets who have been everywhere and done everything. the amount of players is the same if you remove the abandoned PLEXed accounts from the equation. There is another option: they in fact stopped playing.

Gues what next expansion name would be: EVE Tuberculosis, that is why we don't get more expansions. Now I get the titans names for the iterations, they all have been beaten at the end. Shocked
flakeys
Doomheim
#45 - 2014-08-06 14:55:49 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
I need a score card to keep a running tally of those CCP naysayers claiming Eve is dying versus the CCP cheerleaders claiming Eve is and will be stronger than ever, soon.

Personally, I would LOVE to see Eve crash and burn. How appropriate a game touting the aspects of destruction over everything else going down in a flaming wreck by its very developers and player base going in square circles.



Well , at least that would get me to do some other hobbies in the evening again after 10 years Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2014-08-06 14:57:07 UTC
A quick PSA: The character limit on a post isn't so much telling one to start Part 2, it's saying "STFU", you're typing too much.

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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Eve Vegas 2015 Pub Crawl Group 9

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-08-06 14:59:15 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Current stagnation is due to summer holidays, and happens the same time every year.

/thread


But it is winter in the Southern Hemisphere, so where are the fights.


Southern hemisphere players are in rather short supply in comparison to our American and European counterparts. And I'd offer you a fight myself but I've been playing a lot of Elite lately..... I'll fight you there if you want. Meet me in LP 98-132, you can't miss me, I'm the crazy guy running rings around you in an Eagle with my flight assistance turned off, Commander Remiel Cool

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-08-06 15:02:27 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Where are new players? Stagnation is for vets who have been everywhere and done everything. the amount of players is the same if you remove the abandoned PLEXed accounts from the equation. There is another option: they in fact stopped playing.

Gues what next expansion name would be: EVE Tuberculosis, that is why we don't get more expansions. Now I get the titans names for the iterations, they all have been beaten at the end. Shocked

You want to know where the new players are? They are in noobcorps, huddled around older players who never left the noobcorp, warning them about the boogeymen that await, should they ever enter space below 0.5 second status, or ever leave the noobcorp.

The only exception to this that I have seen is CAS, who have an active group out in Syndicate. However, even they have a habit of discouraging the 'true new' from going outside of highsec until they're a few months old.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#49 - 2014-08-06 15:05:08 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
I need a score card to keep a running tally of those CCP naysayers claiming Eve is dying versus the CCP cheerleaders claiming Eve is and will be stronger than ever, soon.

Personally, I would LOVE to see Eve crash and burn. How appropriate a game touting the aspects of destruction over everything else going down in a flaming wreck by its very developers and player base going in square circles.


Well, thanks to people like you who (in one way or another) keep paying CCP (as evidenced by your posting rights here), that's not likely to happen.

i will never understand why people play a game they don't like. Me personally, If I didn't like EVE I wouldn't be here.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-08-06 15:45:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Guttripper wrote:
I need a score card to keep a running tally of those CCP naysayers claiming Eve is dying versus the CCP cheerleaders claiming Eve is and will be stronger than ever, soon.

Personally, I would LOVE to see Eve crash and burn. How appropriate a game touting the aspects of destruction over everything else going down in a flaming wreck by its very developers and player base going in square circles.


Well, thanks to people like you who (in one way or another) keep paying CCP (as evidenced by your posting rights here), that's not likely to happen.

i will never understand why people play a game they don't like. Me personally, If I didn't like EVE I wouldn't be here.

What - none of your infamous "LOL" post?

Did I say I did not like Eve, or you just assuming that?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#51 - 2014-08-06 15:53:28 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Guttripper wrote:
I need a score card to keep a running tally of those CCP naysayers claiming Eve is dying versus the CCP cheerleaders claiming Eve is and will be stronger than ever, soon.

Personally, I would LOVE to see Eve crash and burn. How appropriate a game touting the aspects of destruction over everything else going down in a flaming wreck by its very developers and player base going in square circles.


Well, thanks to people like you who (in one way or another) keep paying CCP (as evidenced by your posting rights here), that's not likely to happen.

i will never understand why people play a game they don't like. Me personally, If I didn't like EVE I wouldn't be here.

What - none of your infamous "LOL" post?

Did I say I did not like Eve, or you just assuming that?


Nope, just reading the English words "I would LOVE to see Eve crash and burn". People who like things generally don't want to see them 'crash and burn'.

L.....OL
DeadDuck
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2014-08-06 15:56:58 UTC  |  Edited by: DeadDuck
You people want to know why EVE is is stagnating? I tell you why, it's losing the fun very fast:

Everyhting is very easy now.

Travel is easy, just get a Titan to jump you around or use the JB's network, or even better use your Jump clones.

Logistics are easy. So you are right in the deep 0.0 ? No problem, here it is a brand new Jump Freighter to solve your problems. Use the cyno beacons and you only have to worry about not smashing your JF in the empire station.

Win a battle is easy. Oh look someone is actually attacking us? No problem we have plenty of time to deal with it let us know when the 2nd or the 3rd timmers come out and we will throw a **** ton of super carrier / Titans to the bad guys.

So you want to be in 0.0 but dont have the hability or the strenght? No problem, here, rent this system to the guys that live 28734872 jumps away. But dont forget to pay the rent or in 10 minutes you will be flooded with a 250 Carriers spider tanking each other, you will see how easy they will tank your damage if you dare to try to make a stand.

Win small, scale fights ? Easy, just get an out of grid link booster and you will become a leet pvp player, if the other guy doesn't have them only with a lot of bad luck you will lose.

Oh you want to get kills with no risk ? Here, use this cyno in order you can jump 6753246 guys on the guy that tried to fight you.

Yep, it's so easy is becoming BORING.


I remember to make freighter escorts in order to have stuff around my home in 0.0. It was boring but also extremmelly dangerous to do. Hell I still remember why D2 (Dusk and Dwan) lost the war the day a freighter loaded with more than 100 POS's died to pirates due to the fact the escort wasn't able to protect the freighter. You people imagine a war between 2 major 0.0 enthities being decided because some pirates destroyed the wrong freigher?

I remember to sweat while flying my ratting ship 2-3 jumps afraid of clash against a bad guy. Damn that was stressfull.

I remember how a BS fleet could go horribly wrong only by travelling to the enemy system.

It was dificult but also very intense.

And the fun fact is that the game can still be very intense. Have you guys thought why the hell people love to see the AT tournements ? You dont know who is going to win, skills matter, strategy matters, a bad call and you are done, the players of both teams have to be focused...

In 0.0 battles between the major coalitions you can go afk, watch a movie while your drones are shooting someone and you are being remote repped by someone that is watching some you tube videos. Thats what's killing the game.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-08-06 16:30:44 UTC
[

All of that leads to one point, the end game goal. To obtain as much isk as possible while having the most fun possible.
These goals have been achieved by us, with the help of mega coalition. We can achieve any of these path to the fullest without worrying about encountering difficulties that will obstruct our goal in a major way. And that is boring. The endgame goal is near for many pilots that are currently playing this game. There is no new content added, but the endless tweak of ship and game mechanics. The life blood that is running EvE is now running out. There is simply nothing worth doing that would spark enough interest for mega coalition to risk everything they have got for it. Thus leads to the current stabilization, because there is nothing to risk your life earning for.[/quote]




I often sit and ponder the thought of how to make this a more user friendly, popular MMO. I came to quite a few conclusions.

1: Sci fi is not for everyone.
2: It’s near impossible to please everyone.
3: Looking at numbers FPS’s are number one however, how smart are they?
4: EVE ONLINE is a dark place with dark forces that taint the heart so quickly.
5: This game is not easy therefore, if it is not mind numbingly Farmville esc some will not play.
6: Nothing is quick in EVE. Everything is earned (yes even if you stole it)
7: The game needs depth: “You make the history RAIN!” I understand that however, this game needs to addendum the lack of plot.
8: EVE is directly focused on the grinding violent and omnipotent groups.
9: Cinematic’s- “SOME” mmo players love to watch cinematics. This game needs cinematics to draw you in and make the depth deeper. PVE instances of course. Reading a dialog is quite slog.
10: Emersion: This is needed as much as depth.

So ingredients

2 parts depth
2 parts emersion
1 part FPS- DUST 514 or whatever
3 parts Cinematics

Now before we go on a tangent, realize what it is that keeps WOW players going. Yes a lot of things are given to them however, as a FORMER wow player, I can tell you that I love a fantastic plot line.
mow hawk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-08-06 16:37:01 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
[


4: EVE ONLINE is a dark place with dark forces that taint the heart so quickly.




I like this one.

I mostly agree with what you said, and they tried to make it easier for people/make it more appealing with those career agents and the hand holding (as harsh as that may sound, but it's what that is) but the game isn't for everyone....

There's a number of things you have to like in order to get hooked on the game.

and yea sort of back on topic...it's summer.

flakeys
Doomheim
#55 - 2014-08-06 16:46:13 UTC
DeadDuck wrote:
You people want to know why EVE is is stagnating? I tell you why, it's losing the fun very fast:

Everyhting is very easy now.

Travel is easy, just get a Titan to jump you around or use the JB's network, or even better use your Jump clones.

Logistics are easy. So you are right in the deep 0.0 ? No problem, here it is a brand new Jump Freighter to solve your problems. Use the cyno beacons and you only have to worry about not smashing your JF in the empire station.

Win a battle is easy. Oh look someone is actually attacking us? No problem we have plenty of time to deal with it let us know when the 2nd or the 3rd timmers come out and we will throw a **** ton of super carrier / Titans to the bad guys.

So you want to be in 0.0 but dont have the hability or the strenght? No problem, here, rent this system to the guys that live 28734872 jumps away. But dont forget to pay the rent or in 10 minutes you will be flooded with a 250 Carriers spider tanking each other, you will see how easy they will tank your damage if you dare to try to make a stand.

Win small, scale fights ? Easy, just get an out of grid link booster and you will become a leet pvp player, if the other guy doesn't have them only with a lot of bad luck you will lose.

Oh you want to get kills with no risk ? Here, use this cyno in order you can jump 6753246 guys on the guy that tried to fight you.

Yep, it's so easy is becoming BORING.


I remember to make freighter escorts in order to have stuff around my home in 0.0. It was boring but also extremmelly dangerous to do. Hell I still remember why D2 (Dusk and Dwan) lost the war the day a freighter loaded with more than 100 POS's died to pirates due to the fact the escort wasn't able to protect the freighter. You people imagine a war between 2 major 0.0 enthities being decided because some pirates destroyed the wrong freigher?

I remember to sweat while flying my ratting ship 2-3 jumps afraid of clash against a bad guy. Damn that was stressfull.

I remember how a BS fleet could go horribly wrong only by travelling to the enemy system.

It was dificult but also very intense.

And the fun fact is that the game can still be very intense. Have you guys thought why the hell people love to see the AT tournements ? You dont know who is going to win, skills matter, strategy matters, a bad call and you are done, the players of both teams have to be focused...

In 0.0 battles between the major coalitions you can go afk, watch a movie while your drones are shooting someone and you are being remote repped by someone that is watching some you tube videos. Thats what's killing the game.



On one side i COMPLETELY agree with you but on the other side my mind is telling me ''Offcourse you agree with him since you are a vet yourself , everything ALLWAYS used to be better in memory both ingame as irl'' and i just don't want to sound like the bitter vet YET.

I'll completely agree with you when i have come to the point where i can embrace the bitterness and then i'll shout as hard as i can : '' REMOVE WARP TO ZERO'' . Blink


We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2014-08-06 18:37:10 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Current stagnation is due to summer holidays, and happens the same time every year.

/thread


So does summer start in March?


It did here.

We brits just are not used to having a good hot sunny summer, we are scared.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#57 - 2014-08-06 21:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
DeadDuck wrote:
You people want to know why EVE is is stagnating? I tell you why, it's losing the fun very fast:

Everyhting is very easy now.

Travel is easy, just get a Titan to jump you around or use the JB's network, or even better use your Jump clones.


You do realize JB's came out in I believe revolations which was around mm 05, as did titans... so not sure how that's adding to stagnation..

Quote:


Logistics are easy. So you are right in the deep 0.0 ? No problem, here it is a brand new Jump Freighter to solve your problems. Use the cyno beacons and you only have to worry about not smashing your JF in the empire station.



JF have been around for over 5 years now, I think they came out 7 years ago, I could be mistaken. Cynos have been here for nearly 10 years.

Quote:

Win a battle is easy. Oh look someone is actually attacking us? No problem we have plenty of time to deal with it let us know when the 2nd or the 3rd timmers come out and we will throw a **** ton of super carrier / Titans to the bad guys.


This actually becamse an issue with the constaltaion sov upgrades back in 07/08

Quote:

So you want to be in 0.0 but dont have the hability or the strenght? No problem, here, rent this system to the guys that live 28734872 jumps away. But dont forget to pay the rent or in 10 minutes you will be flooded with a 250 Carriers spider tanking each other, you will see how easy they will tank your damage if you dare to try to make a stand.


This has been around since exodus in 04, it used to be called 'pet alliances'

Quote:

Win small, scale fights ? Easy, just get an out of grid link booster and you will become a leet pvp player, if the other guy doesn't have them only with a lot of bad luck you will lose.

Oh you want to get kills with no risk ? Here, use this cyno in order you can jump 6753246 guys on the guy that tried to fight you.

Yep, it's so easy is becoming BORING.


I remember to make freighter escorts in order to have stuff around my home in 0.0. It was boring but also extremmelly dangerous to do. Hell I still remember why D2 (Dusk and Dwan) lost the war the day a freighter loaded with more than 100 POS's died to pirates due to the fact the escort wasn't able to protect the freighter. You people imagine a war between 2 major 0.0 enthities being decided because some pirates destroyed the wrong freigher?

I remember to sweat while flying my ratting ship 2-3 jumps afraid of clash against a bad guy. Damn that was stressfull.

I remember how a BS fleet could go horribly wrong only by travelling to the enemy system.

It was dificult but also very intense.

And the fun fact is that the game can still be very intense. Have you guys thought why the hell people love to see the AT tournements ? You dont know who is going to win, skills matter, strategy matters, a bad call and you are done, the players of both teams have to be focused...

In 0.0 battles between the major coalitions you can go afk, watch a movie while your drones are shooting someone and you are being remote repped by someone that is watching some you tube videos. Thats what's killing the game.

[/quote]

Except you are not. BoB and ASCN used to use there titans to bridge, though ACSN titans did not last that long, poor steve. Only non big boys did freighter convoys, the moment constalation sov came to being and you could make a titan with ease and no worries of being destroyed then there was no longer a need to use convoys. The travel misclicks happy, that's what a recent low sec fight was about. I remember hauling a badger 2 back and forth to get enough different fuel types to feed a large pos for a few weeks, now I just need fuel blocks. I remember slow bating in 0.0 to deploy a new pos.. oh wait, no I don't cause by the time I was ready for 0.0 I had warp to 0 bm's.

Honestly, your complaints are about things that happened YEARS ago. Eve has not suddenly got easier to move around, it actually got a bit harder with the introduction of bubbles, the JB nerf, the recent fuel nerf and other such stuff. D2 was in the age before constalation sov, which was truly the WORST idea CCP ever had, yes worce then WiS. Because of that simple change, we had a crap load more titans and supers. Honestly I have no idea what you are talking about. Free movement doesn't make eve less enjoyable. Timers were around before dominion, but instead of a few you had to grind down something like 40 large pos' all coming out at the same time per system you wanted to claim. I really think you have your history wrong.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#58 - 2014-08-06 21:58:04 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
RoAnnon wrote:
A quick PSA: The character limit on a post isn't so much telling one to start Part 2, it's saying "STFU", you're typing too much.

Can we have this as a label directly under the "post" button, pretty pretty please CCP? No one wants to read random dude x's personal manifesto.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#59 - 2014-08-06 22:02:41 UTC
flakeys wrote:
DeadDuck wrote:
You people want to know why EVE is is stagnating? I tell you why, it's losing the fun very fast:

Everyhting is very easy now.

Travel is easy, just get a Titan to jump you around or use the JB's network, or even better use your Jump clones.

Logistics are easy. So you are right in the deep 0.0 ? No problem, here it is a brand new Jump Freighter to solve your problems. Use the cyno beacons and you only have to worry about not smashing your JF in the empire station.

Win a battle is easy. Oh look someone is actually attacking us? No problem we have plenty of time to deal with it let us know when the 2nd or the 3rd timmers come out and we will throw a **** ton of super carrier / Titans to the bad guys.

So you want to be in 0.0 but dont have the hability or the strenght? No problem, here, rent this system to the guys that live 28734872 jumps away. But dont forget to pay the rent or in 10 minutes you will be flooded with a 250 Carriers spider tanking each other, you will see how easy they will tank your damage if you dare to try to make a stand.

Win small, scale fights ? Easy, just get an out of grid link booster and you will become a leet pvp player, if the other guy doesn't have them only with a lot of bad luck you will lose.

Oh you want to get kills with no risk ? Here, use this cyno in order you can jump 6753246 guys on the guy that tried to fight you.

Yep, it's so easy is becoming BORING.


I remember to make freighter escorts in order to have stuff around my home in 0.0. It was boring but also extremmelly dangerous to do. Hell I still remember why D2 (Dusk and Dwan) lost the war the day a freighter loaded with more than 100 POS's died to pirates due to the fact the escort wasn't able to protect the freighter. You people imagine a war between 2 major 0.0 enthities being decided because some pirates destroyed the wrong freigher?

I remember to sweat while flying my ratting ship 2-3 jumps afraid of clash against a bad guy. Damn that was stressfull.

I remember how a BS fleet could go horribly wrong only by travelling to the enemy system.

It was dificult but also very intense.

And the fun fact is that the game can still be very intense. Have you guys thought why the hell people love to see the AT tournements ? You dont know who is going to win, skills matter, strategy matters, a bad call and you are done, the players of both teams have to be focused...

In 0.0 battles between the major coalitions you can go afk, watch a movie while your drones are shooting someone and you are being remote repped by someone that is watching some you tube videos. Thats what's killing the game.



On one side i COMPLETELY agree with you but on the other side my mind is telling me ''Offcourse you agree with him since you are a vet yourself , everything ALLWAYS used to be better in memory both ingame as irl'' and i just don't want to sound like the bitter vet YET.

I'll completely agree with you when i have come to the point where i can embrace the bitterness and then i'll shout as hard as i can : '' REMOVE WARP TO ZERO'' . Blink





Sigh... except no war to 0 doesn't sov anyting. We just go back to insta jump and insta warp book marks

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

flakeys
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-08-07 06:30:07 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
flakeys wrote:
DeadDuck wrote:
You people want to know why EVE is is stagnating? I tell you why, it's losing the fun very fast:

Everyhting is very easy now.

Travel is easy, just get a Titan to jump you around or use the JB's network, or even better use your Jump clones.

Logistics are easy. So you are right in the deep 0.0 ? No problem, here it is a brand new Jump Freighter to solve your problems. Use the cyno beacons and you only have to worry about not smashing your JF in the empire station.

Win a battle is easy. Oh look someone is actually attacking us? No problem we have plenty of time to deal with it let us know when the 2nd or the 3rd timmers come out and we will throw a **** ton of super carrier / Titans to the bad guys.

So you want to be in 0.0 but dont have the hability or the strenght? No problem, here, rent this system to the guys that live 28734872 jumps away. But dont forget to pay the rent or in 10 minutes you will be flooded with a 250 Carriers spider tanking each other, you will see how easy they will tank your damage if you dare to try to make a stand.

Win small, scale fights ? Easy, just get an out of grid link booster and you will become a leet pvp player, if the other guy doesn't have them only with a lot of bad luck you will lose.

Oh you want to get kills with no risk ? Here, use this cyno in order you can jump 6753246 guys on the guy that tried to fight you.

Yep, it's so easy is becoming BORING.


I remember to make freighter escorts in order to have stuff around my home in 0.0. It was boring but also extremmelly dangerous to do. Hell I still remember why D2 (Dusk and Dwan) lost the war the day a freighter loaded with more than 100 POS's died to pirates due to the fact the escort wasn't able to protect the freighter. You people imagine a war between 2 major 0.0 enthities being decided because some pirates destroyed the wrong freigher?

I remember to sweat while flying my ratting ship 2-3 jumps afraid of clash against a bad guy. Damn that was stressfull.

I remember how a BS fleet could go horribly wrong only by travelling to the enemy system.

It was dificult but also very intense.

And the fun fact is that the game can still be very intense. Have you guys thought why the hell people love to see the AT tournements ? You dont know who is going to win, skills matter, strategy matters, a bad call and you are done, the players of both teams have to be focused...

In 0.0 battles between the major coalitions you can go afk, watch a movie while your drones are shooting someone and you are being remote repped by someone that is watching some you tube videos. Thats what's killing the game.



On one side i COMPLETELY agree with you but on the other side my mind is telling me ''Offcourse you agree with him since you are a vet yourself , everything ALLWAYS used to be better in memory both ingame as irl'' and i just don't want to sound like the bitter vet YET.

I'll completely agree with you when i have come to the point where i can embrace the bitterness and then i'll shout as hard as i can : '' REMOVE WARP TO ZERO'' . Blink





Sigh... except no war to 0 doesn't sov anyting. We just go back to insta jump and insta warp book marks



SIGH SIGH SIIGGGGGH and some PSHHHHHHHHHHHHH , because i clearly said warp to 0 is THE answer.

The first ''bittervet'' cries i can remember IS ''Brings us back warp to 0'' hence why i used it.I think i clearly made the point that i would agree with him was it not for knowing that that would not solve anything and that those idea's just are a friction of ''us bittervets'' thinking everything used to be so better WHEN IT WASN'T .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.