Warfare & Tactics

Don't waste time trying to fight people on the Jita undock in a Thrasher.

well boosters alts and drugs are something you have to expect, usually its fun since u agress them, they undock logi, you jamm their logi and they die.
but beeing able to reship like that...

A suspect flag is based on performing an aggressive action on another player. Either you shoot at them (assuming you're in losec), or you take goods out of a container that does not belong to you. Orcas allowing suspect flagged pilots to use their bays to refit/reship are not performing any kind of action (setting permissions is independent of a pilot using the services), let alone an aggressive one, so they should not get suspect flagged for it.

Think about this in a different context. Assume for a moment that I want to gank an Orca, and that game mechanics had been changed as you suggest to suspect flag any Orca that allows a flagged pilot to use their services. All I'd have to do is get into a mining fleet with said Orca, request to use their services, flag my mining ship, and then bam, the Orca is fair game for the combat alt I have waiting in a nearby safespot.

No Orca pilot in their right mind would ever allow access out of corp, and even allowing access to those in your corp would pose a risk to would-be AWOXers.

Maybe for the sake of an 'honorable duel', but beyond that, I don't see a good reason to.

Eve is a rare game in which you can fight dirty. You're supposed to reship out of an Orca. You're supposed to have buddies ready to help you out. You're supposed to turn the tables on the unsuspecting mark.

Eve lets human beings be human -- Eve is real.

Get out of f*cking hisec

its not a matter of losign a fight. Its a matter that the mechanic is at odds with all othe rmechanics in eve. There is no 60 second timer,t here is no flag on the orca, nothing.

A simple timer would be enough to make the mechanic work. People just use this as a get out of jaiul card. Swap their expensive ship for a shuttle and get awya with zero chances of losing anything.

Anything that can as easily be used to get risk near zero should b changed.

I know, I was just making a statement for the benefit of the discussion. In general, pilots should not get flagged because of what other pilots do to them, or their ships.

In spite of what I said earlier about suspect timers, I would consider not letting a player with an active weapons timer reship at an Orca, Mobile Depot, Capital ship, etc. a feasible change to game mechanics. It makes sense that if you can't dock or use a stargate, you shouldn't be allowed to reship. This also does nothing to directly risk the Orca pilot in question.


The Orca in this situation should absolutely not get a suspect flag. Not because I support such risk-averse tactics, but because it would be far to easy to abuse in order to gank unsuspecting Orca pilots as I described in my earlier post. There are other changes that could be made (see mine above) that would force pilots to commit without risking Orcas who's only crime was to allow access to their ship Maintenance Bay.

The orca pilot should prolly become suspect too, just as anybody helping with reps or remote sebo/tracking does.

Of course, the orca would then just insta dock.......

You are not flagged with another player. You are just flagged by crimewatch, for any of a number of reasons.

If you chose to engage him, but he doesn't engage back, why should he be penalised as though he were in a fight? As far as the game can know, he could genuinely want to escape from your aggression.

If he had engaged you, he wouldn't have been able to swap ships so quickly. So the mechanics are already there, the only difference in this situation is that he had a better knowledge of them than you.

Clearly, you figured out how to use those mechanics to your advantage later. That's what's great about this game - not being spoon fed so you don't make poor decisions, but analysing what happened and working out what to do different next time.

The current mechanics with the Orca are fine IMO.

An interesting mechanic is how fleet members can drop stuff into the Orca's fleet hangar directly from someone else's jetcan and while the thief will flag as suspect, the Orca will not. It was inordinately satisfying to find those "Can't gank us! XP" Procurer fleets and just drag all their ore into my Orca, stealing their productivity.