EVE General Discussion

I'm an American, and while I think we won't fall soon, I do believe it will happen within the next 50 years.

When I say "fall" I mean "we won't be the greatest single force on the planet."

You forgot about the Supercap nerf, the south is going to push the Russians back into drone space subcap fleet by subcap fleet.

The DRF will be old news within a few months, PL are the new "unstoppable force" with crucible deployed imo.

alright, lets talk about Sub-Capital fleets:

Without the assumed attack of Goons/CFC in the North, NC. or Raiden will not stop their Southern Campagne. Nobody can even dream about any Russian alliance go help them in a Northern war, before they are not about to die. When will CFC start their attack? They said January/February maybe. Everybody knows Goons. As soon as something starts to be more work than fun, they stop doing it. I would not be surprised, if Goons fail their project "free NOL" and Delve against Ev0ke. Let Goons lose a few more times than they already did and they will simply do something else. Their only purpose is to entertain the SA community. They not even need Eve online for this. They not care about Ev0ke or whatever else happens in Eve or with CCP. If there is no more Eve Online, they will simply promote anothr game to entertain their community.

Right now, we have the situation everybody from the old DRF+friends has nothing to do. Their only purpose is fighting old shadows of NC and AAA for traitory, which is just an excuse for the life in carebear heaven, where they have Sov. PL can even have the luxury of killing the whole Southern Coalition fleet and then some not so important allies, too. Is any of their Technetium moons reinforced at all?

Even when Goons would attack in North and AAA would retake Catch, then what? What would have changed then? In Catch are no Technetium moons and the core DRF renters will be still far away doing, wht they always do, pay their rent every month.

The same story is the reset of Solar fleet vs Shadow. They did this in the past. Remember Etherreal Dawn and IRC? These pet alliances reset RA to kill them. They had XIX blue. They had Solar fleet also blue. As we all know, XIX is still in Drone Regions and Solar fleet, too. They have not even reset each other. But ED is dead. IRC is still there, because thy have no guts.

Or lets talk about the equipment, which the DRF and Southern Coalition uses:

Did you see it? The Southern Coalition fly many Drakes and Armageddons. They do not do this, because these ships are better than Abaddons, Tengus or Machariels. They do it, because they can not afford to lose fleets of more of these more shiny ships. Instead DRF pilots do not care. Many fly pimped t3 or Abaddons. They can afford to buy a few extra % improvement of their fleet combat ships and pay a way higher price for it, many % more.

again:

How many more months you want to wait for the chance of a bigger change? Maybe it is even years?

We talk at least about months.

Simular story in RL: Do not be a fool. No 2-20, who would be all together still not as strong as the USA, will not catch up in the next 50 years, unless USA destroy themselves or the world comes to an end. In tthe Eve world it would mean: XIX stops their renter program, CCP nerfs Tech, hell freezes over tomorrow and so on.

Nobody will fall for this stupid old trick: *make forum poast x reset Y* then kill a few carebers and say: *see, we really reset* *There is no more coalition, we swear it.* You can tell that story to some slavic farmer, who all have the same names and look all the same, because nobody ever left their village. They might believe you. The only proof is, if you take over hostile territory, and not just 1 crappy system.

Technically the USA already lost their empire to China thanks to their enormous debt from trying to take over two very small middle eastern countries

Looking around this thread and hearing these comments gives me great hope for Eve.
I don't have any hope for any change comming out of the frozen wasteland of RMT Zero, but clearly the pilots of Eve are finally coming to their senses and admitting the Feudalist State of Zero and the need for the "Common Man" to light the fire of Revolution and burn out the Corruption that plagues Eve.

Burn everything that smells of Goons !

Burn everything that has a Russian Accent !

Fire purifies everything !

Burn you the Way to Paradise !

The only question is who will start the fire and who will wield the torch?

Russians fight and win

Another "doomsday" topic...

Carry on - it's fun to read

The British Empire was proportionately much more powerful than America is today because of the lack of nukes etc in the world then. The British could do pretty much whatever they wanted because nobody else was even close to being able to challenge them. The British fleet doctrine was to maintain an active fleet bigger than the next two fleets combined.

America doesn't even come close to having that much power and influence in the world today, precisely because we have nukes etc. It doesn't matter how many troops, tanks, ships and planes you have today, because one guy with a suitcase nuke can level your capital city.

As for the "civil war in the new world" - don't make me laugh. The American revolution succeeded because the British empire never brought it's full might to bear; they were too busy fighting a much more important enemy, the French. So they gave up some worthless colonies in order to beat their old enemy. Gratz on doing so well for yourselves since we cut you loose by the way.

You know this is great. Want to thank everyone for making this thread interesting, to say the least.

So let me ask you this question. “Who would like to change this”? Who out there would be interested in being part of one of the most significant movements in Eve History?

Pretty much I’ve decided in my mind, that the serious players here, are the little guys, the small, serious minded, hard hitting PVP’er. It’s always been my experience in Eve, that all the small guys, running low, & high sec, are the real serious PVP’ers in this game. The war decking corps, the Merc’s, They quite literally have a serious mastery of this area of the game, those who don’t recognize it, are simply ignorant.

Regardless of some of the comments made, I do know what’s going on here, and they are really out of control, and need to be stopped. For Eve’s real PVPers, this is literally where the serious fun can indeed begin.

Here is my simple prospective, I’m a serious PVPer, yea for real, lol. These power blocks and there deals, are screwing up my fun, the grand fights, as some one said are becoming a thing of the past out here in 0.0.. I really don’t like that. Not at all.

So with that said, I would like to put out a distress call, to all the little guys! Let’s go get Pandemic! I’m serious, With so many attacking, from so many directions, and so many different small serious PVP, and Pirate outfits, it will be virtually impossible for them to watch all of us, with there spy’s. They just can’t do it, it quite literally will be too much for them to handle, and seriously send them into information overload.

We cut the legs out from under this outfit, this is a serious game changer for all of EVE 0.0 space.

I also challenge all the Pandemic Regulars that are tired of bring the DRF’s watch dogs, and playing nurse made for these care bears to break away. Go back to the old Pandemic ways, and join in on this fun. Lets have the real fights again, no rules no friends, total mayhem.

War deck them, keep them war decked. Find there operational routs, Hit them by surprise, hit them often, from all directions. Really watch there super movements. They will fall!

Like I said in my original posting, CCP can’t ban them. But we together sure as hell can!

They were defeated in last years tournament, They can be defeated in the game.

Intel Breifing:

Taking down Pandemic Legion is the first step in creating a more open 0.0 for all to enjoy and PVP. Eliminating the DRF guard dog, IE. “Pamdemic Legion” will infact ultimately lead to there fall. Sooner is better.

PL’s most valued fighting asset, above all is there intel, being long term Alliance Tournament players, they almost always bring the perfect fighting ship and fittings, against almost all fleets they face, quite literally fitting for the occasion. They won most of there victories in the tournaments by having spy’s in the opposing teams. I personally have seen them very effectively obliterated when jumped by something they aren’t ready for, this is why getting the smaller PVP alliances involved is so critical.

Pandemic also has the largest single super capital fleets in the game to day, it’s very very difficult for them to bring this force to bear in the outer lying areas of 0.0, and low sec, At least most of the time. Sniping a Pandemic super during solo movement is very feasible, especially during there off period, Do your intel!

Pandemic almost always fights with pandemic spy’s imbedded in the opposing force. They win mostly because they know every single thing there opponent is going to do, down to the finest detail. This is the Pandemic Legions primary weapon.

Putting it simply, they can not watch every one of us at all times. Smaller hard core PVP Alliances, “Effectivly off there intelligence radar”, will in fact yield the best results. Quality ships, quality tactics are a must.

Taking into consideration there tactics, you can see clearly, trying to watch so many small individual entities will lead to total intel chaos.

Jumping them unexpectedly is critical.

So do we want to take back 0.0 is the question. Black Legion, Burn Eden, Dirt Nap Squad and the likes of outfits like these are critical.

So with this said, once again the question, do we want to show that no force has the right, or the fire power to hold all of 0.0. It quit literally is up to you.

No, you don't know anything that you're talking about. There is a huge amount of effort involved in evicting anyone from 0.0 space. The structure grinding, reinforcement timers, awkwardly-timed CTAs, constant threat of spies, and a million other things come to mind. Small gang PvPers found in lowsec and NPC nullsec (hisec can hardly harbor any form of PvP outside station camping) are small gang PvPers because they don't want to deal with all that. They want to go out, find people with a similar force, and have a good fight. That, or go out and gank single carebears for kicks.

Interdicting hisec/lowsec (as you're suggesting) will have no impact whatsoever on nullsec alliances. Fact of the day: when a nullsec alliance gets wardecced, they simply do not go to hisec. If they really need an item from hisec, they get an out-of-alliance alt to buy it, haul it to a lowsec system, then jump it in via carrier or jump freighter. At no point there are they gankable because of your wardec.

If you take your interdiction to 0.0, you're unlikely to have any more success. Maybe a kill or two, but those are likely to be ships that were already looking for a fight. In 0.0, bots (and careful PvEers) are incredibly common. You jump into system, and a few seconds later they are already at in a station or at a safespot, and possibly cloaked. Nothing to do there.

The only way to currently take down a large nullsec alliance is to hit them harder than they can muster force to resist. They bring a fleet of 500 to defend their TCU? You bring one of 700. Small gangs can't accomplish that.

And please, killing PL? They don't hold space anymore. I suppose if you want easy kicks, go get hotdropped by their supercaps in Amamake, but otherwise please think before speaking.

... Oh, and has it occurred to you that nullsec alliances have small gang PvPers too? Please do come our way, we'd love to shoot you.