EVE General Discussion

A few corps I have been with have tried this. It seems like every time, at the start of the operation, the PvErs show up on time, and do appropriate things.

But, within a few minutes, they start losing interest. Killing rats isn't enough for them. The next thing you know they start leaving for the market to buy things that will make their ships shinier than they already are. Seems like a rare occurrence if any come back before the op is over.

The only alternative I see is if the corp stays at war, constantly, to keep the PvErs busy. The problem is that the PvErs then spend all their time looking for WTs and forget the miners who are in more danger than they would be without the war.

Maybe I just worked with the wrong PvErs.

PvErs looking for War Targets, what...??

this would make so much more sense i thought the world had gone topsy turvy

Any group of miners with decently fit (not max yield) ships should be able to take out any highsec belt rats no problem.

You've totally lost me now (that's not hard though).

I don't know of any PvEers (ie. mission runners, haulers, couriers, market players, PI characters, etc.) that get bored shooting at rats and instead want to go looking for war targets.

Sorry I can't help more.

As in a group of people protecting you from belt rats? In highsec Hell no because whoever came up with that idea is dumb. WHy would they stay for almost no profit?

If however you are talking about PvE,PvP and mining in one corp yeh works. But the Miners cant expect the others to sit there babysitting them all day. That would be pathetic.

If you have found PvE players that want to stop shooting at rats and instead go looking for war targets then I think you've found the right type of players, not the wrong ones.

I'm sure highsec would be more interesting for many people if they stopped shooting rats at wartime and went and waged war. They seem like fun players.

I would also think that would make your miners safer in many respects, as long as you move your mining operations away from the systems being visited by your opponents.

While the PVE experience is a common path for many new players and budding EVE CEOs, it unfortunately will not build a corporation or culture that will last more than a year or so. There are always exceptions but they are the minority.

The challenge with many of these corporations is they lack vision, unfortunately after about a year the group whose focus is PVE will have peaked or will be on their way to an "Awful Loss of the Day" ALOD.

Strong CEOs will prevent groups from peaking and will ensure that there is always another carrot to chase. Sadly, for PVE, the content does not allow such a narrative to be developed.

Mixed corporations of miners, PVE, and PVP are very difficult to lead as its membership lacks a cohesive view of how the game can be played. Unless the group is held together through an external means, corporations and alliances like these rarely last. Specialization is very powerful in EVE and mixed groups tend to be less competitive.

The vision for a corporation does not need to be complicated; however, it needs to be clearly communicated in a sentence or two. A clear vision does not allow for multiple interpretations.

If done right, a solid corporation will attract people who share that goal and build game play to realize it. If a corporation can last for several years, its membership will develop strong friendships that regardless of what the group does, it will adapt as a group.

If I've learned anything in EVE, it's that you don't hire anyone for anything. You build a community, and inspire its loyalty, and someone in that community will WANT to provide security for your miners, free of charge.

This thread is going places.