Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This boils down to people not playing your way, and wanting CCP to change things so that they will.

They are not unaware of stabbed ships in plexes. Sandbox means they get to do that if they want.

Did you ever consider just running the plexes fit for the PvP you want, and not worrying about people who get away? They ran, you won. Polish your pole with that.

This is wrong. Every game has rules, even if this is a sanbox, rules are everywhere and most of them can't be broken, at least, not without a ban for exploit. Eve's rules strive to make people compete, not allow them to farm piles of isks without risk, out of thin air. Sometimes rules have loopholes, sometimes CCP can't fix them, or they reckon those loopholes indeed will heat up the competition and they allow players to "circumvent" rules using them. And sometimes they don't allow it. It's up to CCP and their view of game's design, not to views of some carebears who wishes to exploit rules out of hunger for easy iskies.

Because with current mechanics it doesn't make sense - timer won't reset. And because the idea of FW is to make people compete in PvP - not allow somebody to exploit it for iskies, but to compete in PvP for them - and this is not just novative usage of system, this is sign of its bad design that it allows for such easy farming of itself.

If you wish farm without risks go for Incursions or LV4. You won't do that, cause FW farming is much more profitable, and don't require anything aside from cheap t1 frigate and empty clone. There is nothing novative in sitting in cheap costless vessel and waiting for timer, and people only do it because this is even less risky and require almost zero investment, than most of others similar isk generating activities - even those happeining in nulls. So it's tottally out of "more risk - more reward" design concept and contributes to disbalance in game's economy.

LP farming for market items is PVP. Just like mining. Fit more points or bring friends and please CCP rollback timers...

FW was created as a first step PvP playground, not as farming paradise for risk-averse players, and it can't be both simultaneously wihtout suffering greatly. And you still ignored my point about FW farming being totally out of "more risk - more reward" concept.
LP inflation introduced by exessive LP farming by those who don't even generate any content and even don't take any significant risks hurt also those who use system in the way it was intended by CCP, and makes it somewhat less attractive for them. This is not some kind of "emerging gameplay", there is nothing intresting or novative in it, it's just a plain, stupid, risk-averse farming, so shouldn't be tolerated.

Soooo much LoL my head hurts.
No rule says compete, no rule says you can't or shan't farm Isk out of thin air (which all ISK generation and resource accumulation is) and it seems that Risk is also up to your definition .. let me guess, "must be able to go puff by hostile player", which all players that undock initially are anyway.

So much fail. Ouch.

Good the thread is going your way.







Not.

Hahaha, look who is playing with words.

A sandbox is what you make it. A game community develops beyond the intentions of any game or game designer (as has been acknowledged by all that understand games, and you can ask if you don't believe me). Rules are also what you make them and not the majority, YOU make your rules, and as do you, so do I and OTHERS. There are no universal rules in a sandbox, there are principles.
And since you brought up the EULA, you called it exploits which are something against the EULA or basic game mechanics, you are drawing the unspoken conclusion, not me.
And again you assume that Risk is a potential loss and leave it open which loss that actually is, looking triumphant over the dead strawman. I am still here and so are the arguments.
And you quote so bravely "more risk more reward" and that is good and fine but you use it to defeat the rebuttal to your poorly chosen happening of ISK out of thin air with no risk - which is laughable.

Don't twist words. You lost, a few posts before I even started.

And tottaly wrong and self-entitled in the very first sentence. If it's so, then go make POS anchored anywhere you want, and not only at moon. Go and somehow make so that in contract one item was shown, but after accepting it player would have received totally different one - and don't be banned by doing so (no, I'm not talking about creating scam contracts with similar items, I mean exactly as it is - one item shown as included in contract, but totally different received). Go and try to repeat these famous goonish scams with generating millions of FW LPs out of thin air. Go and build an outpost wihtout SOV in a system.

You won't succeed. Why? How comes? You just said this is you, an all-mighty and ingenious subscriber who creates this world on his whims. The truth is you are bound with rules and allowed quite narrow space to act freely by CCP, and sometimes, when they think it's fits their vision, they allow you to do something out-of-boxy. Like suicide ganking, or bumping. Or, in contrary, won't allow, like bumping ships from under the POS's shield to which you don't have access. In last case, even as game rules allow it, CCP doesn't. Do you still need more clear examples?

Super LOL, now you are just bitchin after a defeat - sour loser - Grasping at straws to get out of the hole you dug yourself, that's pathetic, know when you are beaten. You got no arguments left, well or unable to see them and I won't point them out.

I fight for my principles, but I can recognize when I am wrong or my opinion is badly formed, I quit threads I have no business in and say when I change my mind or let things go when I am at a loss or figure I am discussing a different issue - can you ? You are acting like a presuppositional defending you assumption no matter how wrong, just so you can claim you are the winner - sad.

And since it is close to derailing and is becoming ad hominum I am going to quit this. Your basic assumptions are wrong as well as the strawman arguments you present, so my job is done anyway.

CCP just need to turn FW into some kind of space MOBA-lite.

You would literally need to kill the cap regen on the ship or you will amke it harder for a prober to find him because he will mash the warp key and keep getting small warp especially in larger systems. To make you idea work, you would need to change the amount of cap needed to initiate a warp and that's a whole other can of worm to open.