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loot splitting for a small(ish) corp

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Hanath Golder
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#1 - 2014-07-29 15:10:29 UTC
I have a small corp that are looking to get into WH space.
Was wanting to know if there was any tools out there that can help with the splitting up of loot?

We don’t have the technical knowhow on coding something or anything like that.
But we also have a big enough group of people that means that we can’t just say “at the end of the week we split it down the middle for everyone” as this doesn’t seem like a very fair way of doing things.

Any suggestions?
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-07-29 15:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Blue Loot is static payout unlike Nanos:


So take blue loot devided by participation

So Payout = Blue Loot / Players

the nanos is tricky because of market, you may want to negotiate a fix cost and payout with your friends.

So assuming 3.5m per Nano you go with 3.2m per unit (Banking fee, market fluctuations and hauling)




Small scale operations is simple :)


Only if you go bigger you can get "ego" problems if capitals are involved and people feel their share is to small.

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2014-07-29 15:27:55 UTC
Hanath Golder wrote:
I have a small corp that are looking to get into WH space.
Was wanting to know if there was any tools out there that can help with the splitting up of loot?

We don’t have the technical knowhow on coding something or anything like that.
But we also have a big enough group of people that means that we can’t just say “at the end of the week we split it down the middle for everyone” as this doesn’t seem like a very fair way of doing things.

Any suggestions?


I coded up an app for my corp that had the name of every main character in the corp on it. You just clicked buttons to indicate who was there for the sites and then entered a total from the set of sites that those people were there for at the top. It had an eve-central api call for the nanos then just tallied up the blue loot and split it between everyone. Kept track of sets of sites so that you could sell later without a problem.

Only drawbacks are that one, I no longer have it hosted, and two, you'd either need an instance on something like heroku/modulus(maybe i think it RIPed though), or nodejitsu, or have your own website to run it.


If that's too much work, just create a spreadsheet. ezpz

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Adarnof
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#4 - 2014-07-29 15:28:11 UTC
I believe Destruct-Ore can handle sleeper loot. Albeit designed for mining operations, it should be able to process member payouts and corporate tax with ease. It's a lot of effort to get it going though.
http://eve.whistle-britches.com/index.php?wbteve=products&section=dore

We use a form tied to a spreadsheet to manage ours. After each "farming session", we input who participated and the total value of goods procured while simultaneously assigning relative "weights" to each member (aka when escalating, caps > subcaps). This gets divided among participants and a corp tax taken.

Hanath Golder
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#5 - 2014-07-29 15:28:18 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
Blue Loot is static payout unlike Nanos:
Only if you go bigger you can get "ego" problems if capitals are involved and people feel their share is to small.


Thanks for the info mate.

No problems with that really, mostly RL mates so ego isnt much of an issue and the others are cool as well.
Kireitsugu Secheh
Les chips electriques
#6 - 2014-07-29 16:40:01 UTC
Evepraisal.com is a tool I like.
Copy pasta in it what you dropsalvaged.
It will tell you how much it is worth.
Substract a security percentage off it,like 10%, to cover your hauling,market costs and to atenuate market fluctuations.
And split the remaining isk among the people who participated.

If you are to lazy to split, you can use your corp dividends.

Cylin Rath
#7 - 2014-07-29 17:41:00 UTC
I'm not sure who I copied this Google spreadsheet from originally, it may of been from here on the forums or Reddit. You may find it useful:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhwY1le5cdn2dDFOcHVLM1AydUpqckdxbVhBeUVMN1E&usp=sharing
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#8 - 2014-07-29 17:41:48 UTC
Hanath Golder wrote:
I have a small corp that are looking to get into WH space.
Was wanting to know if there was any tools out there that can help with the splitting up of loot?

We don’t have the technical knowhow on coding something or anything like that.
But we also have a big enough group of people that means that we can’t just say “at the end of the week we split it down the middle for everyone” as this doesn’t seem like a very fair way of doing things.

Any suggestions?



Sleeper loot is tiny, buy a stack of small standard containers. Put all the loot from one batch of sites in the can and either make a corp document keeping track of the people who ran the site and which can or name the can with the peoples handles.

Depending on how often people drop in and out might want to make a spreadsheet to divide things into a shares/point system for splitting.

When you get a good exit load the cans onto a blockade runner and take to jita. That way loot from each site is kept separate.

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Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2014-07-29 17:45:20 UTC
If anyone is decent with node/mongo, I can give you a link to a github repo with the source for the loot tracker I made. If anyone is looking for a customized one, I can code one pretty easily if you host it. Drop me a mail if you're keen.

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Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-07-29 17:56:58 UTC
Make the people on the OP mail you, mark can with OP name if not selling after every OP, sell everything in cans, make notes of amounts in in-game notepad, drag names from mails into said notepad, under the amounts, divide, send ISK, to characters you already have linked.

If people are droping in and out of the OP, make them send how many sites they were on, and divide loot into shares, send people shares.

Make sure you skim an agreed upon amount of loot as payment for your selling and ISK sending services, as doing this sucks balls and deserves payment.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#11 - 2014-07-29 18:13:37 UTC
Loot goes to corporation wallet, ships are bought that are required in fleets, and given out for free for members to use, if they die, they do not have to pay for it, the corp just buys a new one with the other loot isk.

Trying to split loot amongst a lot of players, just means that 1 player gets about 5mil, which is just meh.. whereas you could have another recon in your fleet because the corp has one spare to give out, etc.
-Buhhd
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-29 23:28:06 UTC
OK, you wore me down! Here's the secret formula:

(X / N) x ((100 - T) / 100) = Y

Where:
X = Total loot value
N = How many people ran op
T = Corp tax percentage
Y = How much isk each person gets

As you can see, it's pretty close to rocket science but there are many online calculators that you can use to figure it out.
If you cannot find such a calculator, contact your nearest 6 year old child and ask for help.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#13 - 2014-07-30 12:29:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Serendipity Lost
Our corp took Jack's stone age approach and moved it up to the bronze age. Someone w/ some spreadsheet savy can make you a nifty google doc that everyone can see. Ours is set up with multiple pages so you can track multiple pve sessions.

Basically you put in the date, names of the folks and number of sites run by each (maybe jack had a furry convention to go to so he skipped out before all the sites were done).

So you have date, names and sites in the spreadsheet. The real work begins. Haul out the loot for that op and sell it. Put the amount of the sale in the bottom of the spreadshee and google doc sorcery fills in each guys payout, and how much the tax man gets.

So Inputs: date/names/# of sites completed/loot value

My google wizard made the boxes I'm allowed to touch green so I don't screw up.... whatever it is that screws up when I touch the non greeen box (he starts to explain some formula garbage and I go to youtube while he explains whatever it is he explains).

We keep open books and do it on an individual op basis. Weekly just adds complexity. Monthly adds more complexity. Points systems are basically poison to WH (try them if you must, down the road you'll see the problems).

Set your tax rate reasonably low (keep in mind you have to replace the occaisional caps that lazerhawks reprocess). If someone buys the salvage for personal use - keep it simple. Buy it at jita buy order prices and only worry about the nanos. The rest isn't worth the bother.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-30 21:51:35 UTC
PS: the correct solution is actually to run sites by yourself and avoid the whole 'spliting' issue

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Viscis Breeze
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2014-08-04 13:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Viscis Breeze
Contributing. This is my spreadsheet that has gone through a number of iterations to reach its current version.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YGb5a7gl_eIZQTGVPKYn2G4gLUXKdC_ax8EOF39F80M/edit#gid=0

1. Enter player names as a CSV in the top player names field.
2. Set corporation tax (how much the corp is deducting for its own costs)
3. Set sales tax (amount removed by station/standings/skills) whilst selling.
4. Enter estimated value (optional) and final sales value (Sales Post Tax).
5. Enter single player names in the second player names box.
6. All other fields are set automatically and split is calculated.

N.b. Sales pre-tax is estimated and not exact. Its more for show than actually useful.

Automatically detects and calculates splitting. Also has optional deductions field for special projects.

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Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#16 - 2014-08-04 16:10:54 UTC
I just post all the loot into evepraisal, and pay everyone cash for their share - 15%. Hauler takes 15% for the risk of hauling the sleeper loot, everyone else gets immediate isk.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-08-04 23:23:17 UTC
Gospadin wrote:
I just post all the loot into evepraisal, and pay everyone cash for their share - 15%. Hauler takes 15% for the risk of hauling the sleeper loot, everyone else gets immediate isk.

15% hauler fee?!?! fk me where do I sign up?
considering that most c5/6 corps would be hauling out loot in batches of 2-5 bil, that seems hugely excessive.

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2014-08-04 23:25:19 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Gospadin wrote:
I just post all the loot into evepraisal, and pay everyone cash for their share - 15%. Hauler takes 15% for the risk of hauling the sleeper loot, everyone else gets immediate isk.

15% hauler fee?!?! fk me where do I sign up?
considering that most c5/6 corps would be hauling out loot in batches of 2-5 bil, that seems hugely excessive.


I bet that's on top of a 10% corp fee too. Must be nice if the CEO is hauling it...

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#19 - 2014-08-05 14:19:05 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Gospadin wrote:
I just post all the loot into evepraisal, and pay everyone cash for their share - 15%. Hauler takes 15% for the risk of hauling the sleeper loot, everyone else gets immediate isk.

15% hauler fee?!?! fk me where do I sign up?
considering that most c5/6 corps would be hauling out loot in batches of 2-5 bil, that seems hugely excessive.


I bet that's on top of a 10% corp fee too. Must be nice if the CEO is hauling it...



WH piracy - this must be stopped.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2014-08-05 14:25:47 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Gospadin wrote:
I just post all the loot into evepraisal, and pay everyone cash for their share - 15%. Hauler takes 15% for the risk of hauling the sleeper loot, everyone else gets immediate isk.

15% hauler fee?!?! fk me where do I sign up?
considering that most c5/6 corps would be hauling out loot in batches of 2-5 bil, that seems hugely excessive.


I bet that's on top of a 10% corp fee too. Must be nice if the CEO is hauling it...



WH piracy - this must be stopped.


Gotta fund those blinged T3s somehow

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

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