In-Game Events and Gatherings

well theres more chance a a rookie will fly a venture than a rookie flying a machariel

As someone who does not agree with the negative permit/rp psychological aspect of what code does (nothing wrong with ganking in itself) this and other highly questionable recent events surrounding code heartens me. It indicates they are succeeding in their core aim of recruiting those with the mentality to break the eula. because the eula is there to to protect(ccp and the players) and in a way that is what they are against (they feel hi-sec is too safe as an example).

Now if a single player is like that then it is no big isse (in the greater scheme of things) as banning is a very efficient solution/deterrent in the absense of any kind of organised entity / peer pressure. The problem with code however, and this kind of event/desperate cry for attention is a perfect example, is that they are actively encouraging acts that will lead to accidental/purposefully breaking the eula and doing direct damage to ccp.

So why wont simply banning the individuals who break the eula work as it always has? Because code is slowly but surely evolving into an incubator for these individuals where such behaviour is praised and even rewarded (who wouldnt like 100s of dollars for ganking newbies?) so there will always be more of them or they will be more likely to take the risk (why do people commit crimes if the result would be life in prison/death) regardless of the consequence.

Its like treating the pain of a malignant cancer rather than the cancer itself. If its incurable then that is all one can do (as we found out with my dad) but I dont quite think eve is dying quite yet so long as the cancer(s) that is malignant is removed. This is not the biggest cancer by far sure but it is growing. and even the smallest one can kill you if its in the right slpot (new player experience)

I'd like to think that the ccp answer in this thread show that perhaps they are starting to realise this. Just hope its not treated to late.

ps. I started out as a hard core carebear. took me a year or two but now im up to 15bill in legit medium/large scale pvp a month and this month is looking like its gonna even be better. I have at least a tiny bit of a sense of fair play (fighting in null) so if I found out there was organised hunting of newer players and gametime as rewards when I started I sure as hell wouldnt still be here. Think about that CCP/code.

A lot of people also seem to completely ignore the possibility of new pilots taking out some other frigate or destroyer to go out and kill Ventures. Apparently, the possibility of new pilots wanting to shoot spaceships doesn't even cross their mind.

And how would we help them? Form a fleet and do guard duty in every single belt a new player might mine in? That's an exercise in futility and besides which it's not our job to prevent new player griefing, it's CCP's.


You say it's not about killing rookie players and yet you target the one ship in high sec that's most likely to be piloted by a rookie. What did you think was going to happen? You could have chosen any other ship: hulks, retrievers, transports, even shuttles and you wouldn't get nearly as many new player kills as you are now.

It's "possible" all these players who are less than two weeks old are actually new players? Do you really think they're the alts of older players who are mining in high sec with a venture? Who would do that?


Yes, and if they were two months old that would be relevant.


So you're justifying rookie griefing by saying that it's introducing them to emergent game-play? You may have had the pleasure of 'harvesting delicious newb tears' to paraphrase a few of the gankers I've read, but some of us would like to see those new players stick around for longer than their trial periods.


It's not about what kind of gameplay you enjoy, it's about the fact that you're preying on people who aren't yet a part of the community and are still deciding on whether or not they want to be. Ganking itself isn't the issue here, it's the target of your ganking that is.

I would try to address your points but there was nothing of substance to refute.

I just hope CCP gets it together and shuts down this competition for encouraging rookie griefing.

Again, your opinion that "griefing" is taking place and if by "griefing" you're referring to spaceship PvP, you couldn't be more wrong and you should feel bad.

Somehow I don't think CCP would shut down an event drawing in new players.

There are many things that have been said here that I'd love to repeat, but that would be pointless. I did want to make a point regarding the "getting new people to play the game correctly". While I admit that CCP said themselves that this game is PVP at the core, the game itself offers many other activities. You like PVP and killing defenseless targets? Fantastic. I like to mine and create things. I like to do fleet missions. I can sit at a belt for 4 hours mining while I crunch numbers on the best ways to make money with current market values. Why do you feel the need to force me into your play style? Killing players is part of the game; I don't have a problem with that, but saying it's good to kill noobs like me so I'm forced into the "correct style of play"? How about you play the game your way, and I'll play the way I want to. There is nothing wrong with me playing the game as an industrialist and to tell me I'm playing the game incorrectly is just ignorant. You keep killing weak ships. I'll keep mining and focus on generating income so I can hire people to stop you from messing with me. I shouldn't have to be the one saying this, but those are viable game mechanics. Get over it.

Being shot in a game about shooting spaceships is not griefing. Welcome to Eve. I suggest you group up with your new friends and shoot back next time it happens.