EVE General Discussion

AND they pay out is more...

i don't think farming was the intended way of doing incursions. All those negative effects, gatecamps etc should motivate people to *finish* the incursion to get rid of the sansha of the system.

the infinite supply of sites just invites to repeated boring, bot like gameplay. CCP should really think about it to balance the sites differently. Spawn rate should decrease with increased system control until only the bos site is left.

Seems like a valid argument.. I don't tend to use the store as I don't know what it has to offer... All i know is ISK is king in this game, attempting to make the game interesting the answers are not always to nerf it may be something else needs buffing.

Nerf anoms

Not really, no.

The problem with buffing the isk from other activities is that there unintended consequences (needing to buff all the other activities from mining to whatever)

Nerf is always used because you normally nerf a new item after it has been tested and results gained. Since incursions have been in for awhile now the results are in and they say that the high sec side of incursions are too high. I am not about nerfing incursions I am about nerfing the high sec side and moving them to low and null.

The idea of eve is not to stay in highsec. I know this is the "casual side" of the game but people only use this reasoning because CCP has not done enough to allow the casual player to enter null and 0.0

A great suggestion made on the forum was to incorporate safe zones deep in npc 0.0 areas to attract more people into 0.0

That is a great Idea. I myself have not been at all in null sec and having those save spots would definitely lure me in more.

The game is being marketed as a big sandbox - why is CCP then forcing me in a way to go to a particular area. If it is really a sandbox game then I can go and do whatever I want to do in either high sec or low/null sec and I should have at-least something to do in those area's.

The problem what I think is is that the people that have loads of isk to spend complain about the game - not being a challenge and the people that have no isk at all - complaining making isk is hard.

But I have to say that null sec should be more rewarding to get more people in it. and yes those save spots are a great idea

I love the fact that a good number of the players advocating a complete removal of hisec incursions are members of lowsec/nullsec alliances...

Everyone posting here against Incursion rewards are retards.

No risk? You crazy...

3 Logis are needed to keep a fleet alive meaning the amount of incoming DPS is huge. No risk pfft....grow up.

The better fleets are few and far between, Getting the better fleets together takes time and preparation. Why shouldn't people be allowed to make good isk in high sec? Is there some law against it?

Alot of Incursion runners are null sec alts making isk for the null sec operations. Building titans and super isn't cheap for any alliance and at least this way it's legit.

Unlike the RMT that goes down in the big alliances in null to fund operations

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That CCP know about and do nothing..

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Because of the above I don't think CCP will dull these down because it goes towards CCPs end game.

0.0 pew pew

Wallet

I posted this in the other incursion thread... Humans have to eat, ****, get drinks, etc. No fleet is going to be able to maintain a 150m/ an hour fleet for any duration.

If you take a 5 minute break, you drop your isk / hour down by 20-30 mil isk.

The wallet screens I posted is for a friday-sunday farm session i thought I'd try out after all these posts started popping up. You'll see that my wallet fluctuates anywhere from 65 mil an hour (when we lost a bunch of sites, had to get logistics stuff sorted out) to about 112 million isk an hour.

For the higher end of the wallet blinkies, it was because we got lucky and had a lot of NCOs pop up off peak hours, and were dominating the shield fleet that tried to compete with us... Which means while our isk per hour increased, theirs decreased.

Our fleet composition was above average for this, it wasnt 2 logis / 9 legions, but it was pretty decent.

Highsec level 4s payout about 60 million isk / hour for as long as you can keep your eyes open. If you run for a good corp and get decent isk/lp conversion, that number can go higher. There were reports of the one guy who was cherry picking level 4s from different agents in specific ships tailored for individual missions, declining missions like a maniac and getting well over 200 mil / isk per hour from level 4s... I would compare this activity to the super legion fleet raking in 150 mil / hour. The average incursion player is making sub 100 mil an hour average.

If you nerf highsec incursions, people will just revert back to level 4 grinding. No risk, no having to wait for other people to move their car, no competition, a steady stream of isk straight to the wallet.

TL;DR, if you nerf one, nerf the other :)