EVE General Discussion

Or that too. I'm easy.

"commitment"

You expect much from CCP, you do
Learn you will.

on a side note i recently watched "The gamers 3" and it reminds me a lot like eve, they have a card game in the movie where the players choose how the game is played and a group called "Legacy" was making it to where there was no other ways to play the game but one way.....it made me think of EvE

Um.... only once have I seen a nullsec system with mining ships in it, and that was in goon space.

It makes as much sense as "end ganking or there won't be any ships". A straw man.

Maybe the power blocs will run out of minerals first, and then hit up renters for "mineral rights".

I seriously doubt it. I'm feeling very pessimistic in general about this game, currently. Sov null, CCP, EVE, my alliance. Everything. It'll probably pass. Today is just a very boring day.

Man this thread is gonna like kill any sov changes CCP had planned. You downers like need to relax or like go waste some cash on SC.

I'd prefer to see the anom system changed to allow more than 10 in a system through more anoms/sigs & multiple objectives per anom that need simultaneous completion to make fleeting a valid way of doing anoms.
My personal number would be 100 active pilots doing combat stuff in the system still being viable. Though maybe not at 'perfect' efficiency. (assuming full indexes & upgrades)

Then extend that higher concentration at once back up through the system to high sec and once it works, missions can be slowly phased out.

Rather than extending the 'infinite number of pilots at once' into Null. Perpetuating a bad system.
(Though Null already can support an infinite number of pilots at once in a single system, they just all have to be miners)

A new power will never form under the system we currently have.

Think about it, the only way a new power could form is for groups to leave CFC and N3, why would they do that?

It has to be people from these groups as there is nobody outside who has the experience and knowledge to run and more importantly maintain such a large group.

On top of that they would need a pretty damn large capital fleet and a huge war chest just to even make a dent.

Lets take Solar.

Here is a old alliance that had isk, experienced leaders and members, a large capital fleet, a very loyal member base and even had help from CFC at one point yet they still they failed.

BRAVE only hold Sov because CFC and N3 allow them to as it generates good fights and they are zero threat to both. If it wasn't for N3 then BRAVE would not even be Catch.

There is simple isn't enough pilots who have the skills, isk, experience required to form a 3rd Independent power and take on either CFC or N3 and there is no reason for large group to break away from CFC or N3 to form one.

Many people have no idea how difficult it is to run and maintain a large alliance let alone take one to null and fight a war. Most people in Eve struggle at running a small corp, not because they are idiots or bad people, its just because unlike in nearly every other MMO where the only thing you have to worry about is keeping your members happy, in Eve you so much more to worry about and you end up asking yourself is it really worth it, unfortunately the answer is no and its just easier to become a renter if you are that desperate to go to null.

It is not always to create new power that wants to own half of eve.
People have different play style.
One small gangs , others like to bloob, small capital group objectives , some mine and produce other explore.

Current situation in eve is bad because :
1. No objective for small gangs
There are no objectives for those gangs. In vast areas of renter space , you will not find any one from local population willing to fight. They are renters after all , WHY they should fight for something that is not yours.
Usually the only fight you will have when during your voyage you encounter other gang or when you will get into the cyno range of nearby bloob.

So you can say that one of the most important aspects of game is dying. Making 80 jumps in one way to get a fight - sorry this is wrong way.

2. Bloob is bloob , but current bloob is even unappealing to bloobers
There is just not enough timers , this means , that for those few that will actually happen , local grows over 1000 very fast.
Few hours in TIDI without any thing - that is what bloobers get this days

3. Small Capital group objectives
Capitals are fun , really. But only when you drop few of them , 1-2 dreads or triage carriers.
They are super for small scale fights, acting as extra objective.
But now , you have to be TO careful when using them as cyno chars are moving every where, and when they spot something you will get instant hotdrop from third party.
You could say , that is ok , this is eve!
Yes you are right , the issue is that those cyno are every where because this third party have nothing to do , and this is 100 totally boored pilots. What is worst , those hot drops eventually discourage those small hot dropped groups from doing anything - as in most cases they are not to interested in getting bloob every day on their face.
So again less content.

4. Miners and producers
Now much more producing is depending on mining , especially in nullsec.
But you cannot do most of the stuff as miners on belts attract cyno as nothing else.
Even if not a cyno, those mining ships have so low EHP that very small gang can come and kill those ships without any one have time to warp there and help.
Why those mining barges ( nullsec version ) cannot have 300k or more EHP.
Think how many fights this could spawn , but again we have this cyno ;/

Summarizing .
As long as current models of (super)capital usage and deeply connected to it : sov stay unchanged.
Nothing will change for better , but it is changing for worst - what most of the people notice.

What have to change - again for example.
More choke points.
1. Lets make capitals jump portals unable to jump/link between regions and shorten its range!
In order for (super)capitals to move between regions they have to move by XL size regional gates.

What this will change.
Less hotdrops from third parties.
More fun while defending those XL gates - " we must hold this gate! "

2. Difference size of gates , and what can use them.
Like the XL regional gates, why we cannot have some new , and some old gate adjusted to be smugglers gates, allowing to pass only to cruisers or non capital industrial ships.
Lets make all regions having this kind of connection to nearest NPC space.
More trade routes that you can pirate on, and more pressure to fight pirates that are coming by those gates.

There are many possibilities.
But in order to put more life to eve (super)capitals and sov have to change.

My view about SOV missions :
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4874225#post4874225

Pandemic Legions spot by the Mittanis fire is kept warm at all times. ie the 2 power arrangement is not a 1 power arrangement because the playerbase wills it to be so. CCP lost control of proceedings years ago. If the playerbase can decide there will be 2 powers, then the playerbase can decide there will be 3 powers. Also I'd expect that out of 13 or whatever it is CFC alliances, one of them will eventually want to play dangerous, or individual corps within the alliances will want to move to play dangerous. The fate of Gentlemans Agreement awaits those that won't.

I also don't see why anyone cares whether or not an invasion succeeds the first time, or where it is, it just needs to happen. The first weeks of an invasion, when outcomes are not certain must surely be the best part of the game and the whole playerbase denying itself the best part of the game seems bizzare to me.