Player Features and Ideas Discussion

COW is more than part of N3.
Some of the core COW members have alts in NC , or some of the NC members have alts in COW.

This is not off topic, but illustrates reason why COW have space in first place.

Look at situation of East India , they had internal issues - the moment they become unapproved by NC was the same moment they lost their space.

Suggestions here are meant allow smaller alliances to have small part of space without being dependent from bigger entity.

Optimal way is to allow 2000 even 3000 man alliance to live from one constellation by providing members with enough income, at the same time elevating cost and time for maintaining the the sov enough that only bigger alliances like GF will go for more space.

How you can provide so much income in one constellation?
1. Boosting the amount of stuff spawn in the system by the "usage index"
2. Booting PL operations , using the same index
3. Creating missions in SOV space.

Missions in SOV!?

Yes as only this system can provide income for any amount of people.
Just to clarify - i'm talking only about the system itself! , not stating that those agents should provide any LP.

What im suggesting :
1. upgrade that you can install in any system with enough activity , after DT in system spawns agent beacon that have 1-4 agents or agents spawn on station if it is present in the system. ( from lvl 1 to 4)

2. agents are ONLY available to alliance members holding system agents reside.

3. each agents offer missions : 40 % against local pirates , 40 % against Rogue Drones , 20% against any NPC pirate faction.

4. Missions are limited to sov space held by alliance , any system. This is why having less space is good, without this you can get a mission in some remote system on the other side of eve map.

Payout for those missions is also a bit different:
- 50% are bounties from NPC rats
- 30% is bonus from agent after completing mission
- 20% is in CONCORD ( or some new faction ) coins - that we need to exchange in Concord stations for isk.

Some of the missions will have extra objective that you need to destroy some structure , in its drop instead of faction loot you can get random amount of those tags - extra payout.

Why not caldari/gallente/.../pirate missions?
If agents will be associated to higsec NPC faction, then this will heavily impact higsec player income.
Pirate agents , are also unacceptable by many of nullsec players , as they heavily impact your higsec standings, eventually blocking higsec access - so lets not force any one to do them.

Of course current system of anomalies will be not changed , allowing for variety of income.

Wait!.
So i need to probe my targets on their missions?!

Yes and no.
Adding warp in locations for a highly populated system could make you OV overloaded - but this is one of the options.
Second - add it as separate category in your scanner : if we can umark show anomalies - then we can have seccond , show/not show missions.

We can also make them like any other mission without any warpin.
The amount of targets in constellation will be enough , that extra prober will not change much.
People will be also jumping more often by gates.

Whatever reasonable sov system you suggest, there always will be a chance that a bigger entity will come and crush you.
So basically it boils down to - what threshold of risk smaller alliances can endure?
You say, that if we change sov system according to 1), 2) and 3) - then the threshold would be low enough. Pet alliances would rebel and start wars against their masters.
I say - maybe, for the first time, yes.
But after that ripple settles down, we'll find out the same blue doughnut. Because risks will be minimized, and people will call it "winning EVE" again.

The only way to "fix" nullsec is to explain people that they sould HTFU.
But dont get me wrong, I'm pretty sure that it's close to impossible.

Why not? If they want to blow an insane amount of isk on fuel compared to the kill they get while risking the 30 bill each worth ships being on the field then I think they should be able to, after all this game is also about risk vs reward and that scenario seems like quite a bit more risk for an almost unmeasurable reward. You want to stop players from wasting isk and risking their big toys that could be lost doing something like that?



Having a race to see who can kill or rep a structure faster than the other while 1,600 people watch at 5% Tidi for 4 hours is a little nuts. That’s why SOV structures (TCUs/SBUs) shouldn’t exist. You should hold “SOV” simply by shooting the people in the face if they come to move into your space. The aggressor’s goal would be to actually occupy the system, constellation, region and use it as you had been. Not break down your wall, replace it with their own, and log off collecting a rent check.




Structure timers (TCU/SBUs/Stations) create the blobs because they can be scheduled for everyone to show up to. Crossing EVE in 15 minutes I think is fine since most fights (if you got rid of SOV structures/timers) would happen organically between Corps/Alliances trying to move into, or defend, just the volume of space they can farm, police, and defend.

If you’re worried about PL running across the map to jump in the pool then tweak the “Portable Cyno Jammers” to last longer, be system wide, have a large amount of HP, and take about 10 minutes to anchor so opposing sides can get what they have local for Caps in system before the door closes on the fight.

Fighting over a system, constellation, or region should be because of what resources (ice, moons, mins, mission agents, plexes) is contains and whoever is strong enough to live there will reap the benefits. Currently you have Alliances that couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag hiding behind (Structure HP, Timers, and docking rights) in order to keep what they could never defend.
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After you, Sir. Let me know when you have actually killed someone.

Sent you the eve-mail with my other alts' killboards. Not sure why you need it, but wasnt hard for me.

I'll take my words back and offer you an apology.

To my defence (for my snotty attitude) I can only say that month long heat wave (no ac in my apartment) is getting to my nerves. Badly so.

My sincere apology.

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Why the big push for "freeports"? Shouldn't you just make it so that the stations can be conquerable, and that anybody can put up a station in any system they want?

I cannot agree more.
But no one will accept eve without sov now.
So we have too work something out that will help current situation.

As for the supers dropping on lone cruiser.
Yes you are right , what im saying that it just should not be so easy to move those supers across regions in the first place.
From my perspective whole hotdrops and cyno bridges is nonsense.
I would like eve to have some points you can defend in order to secure a part of space.
Something impossible with jump drives , titan bridges and after introducing Mobile Depots also with Black Ops.

Edited for less wall of text and summarization -

1) Rethink the concept of how they should be used and the associated cost of use - perhaps the ships using bridges should be forced to carry the fuel with them in their cargo. Also limit their deployment to a system that has a certain upgrade status like FW where you have to continually pour in resources to keep it active rather than passive Sov Level that is gained purely by time since acquisition.

2) Jump Clones are OK and not OP.
3) No - CCP's bread and butter are the multiboxers and multiple account holders and it isn't game breaking.

Power projection has to do mainly with sov being introduced before carriers and dreads and supers and titans. It is a legacy system that has been *frankenstein'd* into working. Right now if I lead a large fleet into sov space nothing forces people to undock. I can in no way interfere actively with their activities. They dock up and go afk as if it was high sec. All these useless renters. If station services were more vulnerable to small and medium sized gangs and stations were destructible then there would be a difference to be made.

Part of power projection is how meaningful it is. And right now without tremendous super and capital support any action in null sec space lacks meaningful consequences.

Defenders should have a relatively easy time (not without counters of course) in moving assets around in a constellation...it should be harder within a region and a real difficult logistical task to cross regions. This perhaps would involve re-scaling the EVE cluster so that there is more distance in LY between constellations and much more between regions. Call it 'stellar drift'.

At the same time as these nerfs we should insist on a constellation based sov system with real rewards for living in that area. Of course Moon goo should become dynamic so that people are always probing and searching out the moon gold. That will help smaller entities grab a system that might have a series of dead moons that might some day yield goodies and the same areas won't always have the same value.

Dynamic True Sec also pl0x- more ratting = true sec gets worse so that farming is discounted over time regardless of system upgrades. That means upgrades initially improve a system but mitigate the economic damage of over farming. Again...makes people move around.

Allow the alliance to invite high standing empire NPC or pirate NPC corporations to have agents in Outposts. What a trip it would be to have a True Power Agent in Branch eh?

Modular POS's whenever you get to it cause I want my POS city! It would be a trip to have defensive POS's around an outpost to defend it...as long as towers don't have force fields.

More inter-regional gate connections. When re-scaling the cluster make sure that there are more jump points into and out of regions but make them really obvious and easy to blockade. Choke points are necessary for fighting to occur and represent part of the value a system has. Progressive Sov Tax - Marginal increase in sov cost as number of systems grows. So holding an entire region isn't linearly more expensive but instead more of a log scale. So lets define the magnitude as 7 systems and you have 1 constellation with 7 systems...puts you at Tier 1. Holding another 7 systems puts you at tier 2 which isn't twice as expensive...but 7 times as expensive...and upwards it goes for each tier. There should be bonuses for economic development using a Capital system in a constellation that make it more affordable to expand.

I have many more ideas and not enough room. Feel free to get me on skype fozzie :-P

This may be conventional wisdom heresy, but if the goal is to shake up stagnation and drive more conflict through any null sov mechanic changes, you simply must tie ISK generation directly to conflict at the alliance level.

Sure there are additional tweaks around force projection and timers that need done, but EvE is clearly driven by ISK acquisition, so you have to harness that motivator at the individual, corp and alliance level to drive conflict.

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