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I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null or lowsec
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Torin Corax
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2011-12-08 18:17:36 UTC
El Boracho wrote:
Its a sandbox game so people play the areas that amuse them. You don't need to understand why.


It's not about need, it's simply curiosity coupled with a desire to see the game from the Pov of someone who plays it in a different way with different motivations. Since when has open discourse and attempting to be more understanding of others been a bad thing?

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They don't need to explain it to you.


No "they" don't. Neither do you. But if someone chooses to enlighten the OP (and other interested parties) then kudos to them for being open and sociable. If you don't want to answer the questions then don't, this is not a forced interrogation :)

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Get over yourself you are no better then them.


Please point out where the OP said that people who play this way are inferior to him/ her.
We pays out money, we plays our game. Fair enough, but it's not illegal to express curiosity towards other playstyles.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#42 - 2011-12-08 18:20:05 UTC
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
Your assertion is based on the assumption that having a goal is necessary. For some people, that is not a valid statement. Some people just like the pretty lights, or the big numbers in their account, or the fact that they're in space. 'Having a goal' is not a necessary part of their play structure.
I like all those things. I still wouldn't just sit and mission endlessly when there is so much more that can be done.

It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree.

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#43 - 2011-12-08 18:20:33 UTC
Rykuss wrote:
Lord Ryan wrote:
depending on Centurylink as your ISP


Yeah. Lol



I switched to WOW cable a couple months ago. Faster connection, drops only last a second. Centurylink hours to days. On the other hands I have been getting DCed 3 or 4 times and hour for the last couple weeks. I don't know if it's Eve or WOW but I can log back in immediately. Not a problem in most PVE situations, a major killer in PVP.

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Beaches
#44 - 2011-12-08 18:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Beaches
I like PVP but I don't like PVP+killboards

because they turn PVP into PVBlob more often than not

Also, I really can't stand killboard whores and that is my right. I have the right to hate anyone I want. I just can't stand them or their slimy entrails all over wherever they go.

I love PVP so it was a looong process coming to the conclusion that I'd just rather not. But I like the EVE sandbox, space and spaceships so much that I'd like to stay and do non PVP

I don't like PVE that much either though as I find it tedious and boring

So this final conclusion to not bother with PVP cost me a lot of SP on different characters, as they did not translate into missions and i'm transitioning into industry, as I've had experience with trade before and the only problem I found with it was monotony which I think science and industry can break.
Roscada
We love Egg
#45 - 2011-12-08 18:22:33 UTC
Some of us are collectors. I have plenty of expensive shinies that will never see anything but spinning.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#46 - 2011-12-08 18:23:31 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
Your assertion is based on the assumption that having a goal is necessary. For some people, that is not a valid statement. Some people just like the pretty lights, or the big numbers in their account, or the fact that they're in space. 'Having a goal' is not a necessary part of their play structure.
I like all those things. I still wouldn't just sit and mission endlessly when there is so much more that can be done.

It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree.



I believ some people do infact stare at a tree for six hours. I think thier may even be a religion based around that activity.

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Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-12-08 18:23:54 UTC
Don't you guys ever get tired of asking the same crap day after day? What do you care how other other people play the game? Do you have some internet-driven need to feel superior over other people?

Get over it already. You play your game, and let them play theirs. Period.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#48 - 2011-12-08 18:25:01 UTC
Jack Traynor wrote:
You play your game, and let them play theirs.
See, here it is again. XD

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Handsome Hussein
#49 - 2011-12-08 18:25:58 UTC
There's a lot of butt-hurt in this thread over a simple question about goals in-game.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#50 - 2011-12-08 18:26:07 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
Your assertion is based on the assumption that having a goal is necessary. For some people, that is not a valid statement. Some people just like the pretty lights, or the big numbers in their account, or the fact that they're in space. 'Having a goal' is not a necessary part of their play structure.
I like all those things. I still wouldn't just sit and mission endlessly when there is so much more that can be done.

It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree.

I would proffer that they get to shoot the tree with lasers, to follow your analogy. That can be cool enough it seems. There are some like me with limited play time, for whom shooting red crosses (to you) may seem pointless, but consider: I am an immortal post-human cyborg. I pilot an enormous mountain of steel that spits fire at pirates, through space, against a backdrop of stars and planets and moons and space stations. I send this mountain into a transdimensional slipstream with a thought, traveling faster than light itself.

That's a pretty great way to spend an hour. And it's enough.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#51 - 2011-12-08 18:28:17 UTC
I think the OP has good questions but let's be clear about something.


Is this a matter of not wanting to go to 0.0 simply out of not wanting to go or is this a matter of not wanting to go to 0.0 on the terms of the people who are already there?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-12-08 18:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Proteus Maximus
I play the game in what ever way brings me good times & relaxation. I don't set long term goals & try not to over commit to an organization. Why? life is fluid & at any given moment I can log out and not back in except to skill for weeks.
Contrary to popular belief ya don't need to be isk filthy rich to have fun. The folks you choose to surround your self with & your skills are what matters.
Ive done a lot in my Eve career & by far indiscriminately killin folk with a bunch of like minded filthy scallywags has brought me the most joy to date. The runner up is finding the rare ballsy high sec corp who will fight a smaller group of aggressors (head to head no neutral Rep bs) for good times and lulz.
Null sec? Maybe some day. . . As it is now the big boys are happy to not **** in each others pools. With no hope of epic full scale invasions changing the map & making history. . . Not worth my time. . No thanks.

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-12-08 18:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Takseen
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a2 - Mission runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.


This *usually* applies to me so I'll answer that.
-manufacturing is dominated by people with skills invested in it. I found a niche market I could make a small profit in for a while, but it got boring.
-market is just not appealing to me, I never played AH games in other mmos either.
-no pvp because it doesn't seem especially viable to do solo, I've mostly kept playing via PLEX which makes it hard to afford pvp, and I prefer my pvp to be casual and relatively consequence free.
-no corp roles because I don't fancy being exposed to wardecs or any semi-mandatory scheduled activities. My interest in Eve comes and goes, sometimes I might not do anything beyond the skill queue for weeks at a time.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#54 - 2011-12-08 18:29:53 UTC
Beaches wrote:
I like PVP but I don't like PVP+killboards

because they turn PVP into PVBlob more often than not

Also, I really can't stand killboard whores and that is my right. I have the right to hate anyone I want. I just can't stand them or their slimy entrails all over wherever they go.

I love PVP so it was a looong process coming to the conclusion that I'd just rather not. But I like the EVE sandbox, space and spaceships so much that I'd like to stay and do non PVP

I don't like PVE that much either though as I find it tedious and boring

So this final conclusion to not bother with PVP cost me a lot of SP on different characters, as they did not translate into missions and i'm transitioning into industry, as I've had experience with trade before and the only problem I found with it was monotony which I think science and industry can break.



I don't care about any of it. I used to play for spaceships, now I'm playing to stalk your avatar. I want to do creepy cyber things to your avatar.

Now we have that cleared up, It put the damn lotion on!

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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#55 - 2011-12-08 18:30:28 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I think the OP has good questions but let's be clear about something.

Is this a matter of not wanting to go to 0.0 simply out of not wanting to go or is this a matter of not wanting to go to 0.0 on the terms of the people who are already there?

I don't think you can separate the two. Going to null requires being on the terms of those that live there, at some point.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2011-12-08 18:31:43 UTC
I too wonder why people avoid 90% of this game.

I guess they must really enjoy pimp my golem
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#57 - 2011-12-08 18:31:53 UTC
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
I don't think you can separate the two. Going to null requires being on the terms of those that live there, at some point.
Well you could imagine a world where 0.0 wasn't **** and respond "I would go to 0.0 if it wasn't ****" :D

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#58 - 2011-12-08 18:33:10 UTC
High sec core players are playing the game, while choosing the safest option. It is a mindset.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#59 - 2011-12-08 18:36:21 UTC
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
I would proffer that they get to shoot the tree with lasers, to follow your analogy.
Shooting a tree with lasers is so awesome in real life that it isn't currently possible except for those with access to experimental weapons.

However, in EVE, shooting ships, piloting a giant blah blah, being an immortal whatsit, all that stuff is par for the course. So I think that only shooting NPCs (or asteroids) is about the simplest thing you could do. So it's like staring at a tree; not bad in itself, just lacking compared to the other options.

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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#60 - 2011-12-08 18:42:55 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Shooting a tree with lasers is so awesome in real life that it isn't currently possible except for those with access to experimental weapons.

However, in EVE, shooting ships, piloting a giant blah blah, being an immortal whatsit, all that stuff is par for the course. So I think that only shooting NPCs (or asteroids) is about the simplest thing you could do. So it's like staring at a tree; not bad in itself, just lacking compared to the other options.

Which is a valuation judgment that the player makes. To you, it is not on par with other experiences. For someone else, it may be. it may be all they have time for, or it may legitimately be interesting to them. That it is not interesting to you is immaterial. Encouraging people to experience the whole game is fine. But passing judgment on how they play, or which part they play, or any other matter that is their choice is simply fallacious.