EVE General Discussion

If only they were relevant to the customers or actually paid heed by CCP.

Here is why this is a stupid command, time for a small history lesson:

And then behold, in 2004 CCP launched an expansion called Exodus, this was the start of null sec sov and alliances. Befor this groups had a non offical way of making alliances and claiming sov.

The system worked like this, you deploy a pos, and after DT you get sov. null eventually became a game of who can spam the most pos'. So for exsample. if alliance a owned system xx-xxx and it had 5 moons, if they deployed 1 large, and alliance z deployed 4 small just before DT, allaince z would gain sov.

CCP then made a change, you now had to wait 7 days to get sov...

Then CCP made the pos' have weight. 1 small = 1 point, 1 medium = 5 points 1 large = 7 points. Most points wins sov.

Then CCP had this /sarcasism BRILLANT IDEA /Sarcasim of constalation sov. If you owned 51% of the systems in a constalation, had 3 out post, you could claim a capital and that system was invulernable to any form of attack, even the pos'. So we had a HUGE influx of supers and titans. But we were suppsoe to get more tools!

Then came dominion, and the system we have now... but we are suppose to get mroe tools.

Honestly, i want CCP to take there time, give us no actual time lines untill they are ready and know WTF they are going to do. I want this done right, not a half assed attempt that will be borken a week after release.

The vast majority of people are not asking CCP to start the work now.

What we are asking is for CCP to start talking to us, the player base about what ideas they have now.

CCP have a poor record for introducing very badly thought out ideas. They also have a bad habit of missing the bloody obvious.

Just look at there latest idea for spawning in Wormholes. Its beyond dumb.

So with that in mind what many players are asking for is that instead of CCP doing the usual of investing hundreds of man hours and then coming to us and hey look at this, is to actually go "guys here are some idea we have about where we want to take Null Sec what do you think?

The rework of Sov Mechanics is arguable the most important thing CCP have done in years, its a mammoth job and will ultimately shape Eve for years to come. Nobody wants another Incarna.

So lets start talking about it now.

As someone pointed out, for some people it is 10 years now, what do you feel would be the adequate time to get annoyed, 20 years, 30 years?

In the end, however me or you or anyone will get angry, the devs cannot spend 12 hours a day on forums, and even if they could, the industry policy unfortunately is to not engage. The screeching wheel is most likely to get oiled.

Well im not asking for a total re-haul of Sov and (super)capitals in 3 months , but some tweaks and changes that will put some positive changes in place. They don't have to be final - you can say that im asking from CCP some prof that they are willing to do something about current situation.
Those minor changes are the "commitment" that many player are waiting for.

What can be done in those 3-4 months?
1. making capital cap don't instantly recharge on stations ( much slower capital movements) , or even better cap recharging much slower on stations.
2. limiting remote change of cloning station in nullsec / lowsec to station you are currently docked. Just to limit deathcloning.
3. Increasing fuel consumption for all SUPER CAPITALS.

Why? To make dreads usable again.
What is the point using dreads , when they can be killed while in siege, tackled , have low EHP ... when you can replace them with titans : http://hq.c0ven.pl/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=269886.
Titans : they are like dreads, but no siege, bigger EHP and burn the same amount of fuel.
You can also drop 20 motherships as their logistics.

Will those 3 changes fix all issues - no, but they are step in right direction. If those changes will be bad to eve - simply change stuff in the next expansion.

What are the next changes ?
Many ideas here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=356024

Why people asking for fast changes , this can brake a lot of stuff.
I'm asking what fast changes - for some of them people are asking for almost 10 years now.
Can nullsec be worst after those 3 changes im proposing?
1. Slower movement for capitals, but still effective.
2. More dedication for timers.
3. More expensive moment , still as effective and unbalanced as now. But when you drop 40 supers to kill small pos - you are going to pay few billions in fuel cost instead 200mil while using dreads.

Completely agree, however this does not mean that CCP can not talk to us about what ideas they have and where they want to take Sov Mechanics.

I believe that null has more effect on Eve then any other areas of space. Null Sec Wars are a great thing for Eve and CCP need to change Sov Mechanics to encourage fighting. The more Wars the better.

To do this they have an amazing resource, the players. I swear there are people who play Eve who have more knowledge about the actual mechanics of fleet combat in Eve then most Devs.

These guys want to help, these guys have some amazing ideas, CCP needs to talk to these guys, use their knowledge to build a Sov System that encourages fighting, that promotes wars and destruction and makes wars a fun thing.

The recent AMA with CCP Seagull was an example on HOW NOT to interact with the player base. The vast majority was wait and see and marketing double talk.

CCP really need to communicate with the player base on this one before they start investing serious man hours.

/Support
CCP, it's time to show that you have the balls, the will and the wit.

Only they can do it.
Question is if they will focus on fixing those issues or put their work to next frigate / destroyer / cruiser / battlecruiser /battleship / their t2 variants rebalance , or next industry changes.

I also work in software development.
You want to limit :
- doping supers on every thing - increase fuel usage and their fuel bays to compensate.
- bloob mobility - increase fuel usage for titan bridges , or disallow this module from activating in forcefield. Increase bridge timer to force having 2 fleets - one bridged second guarding titan outside the forcefield for next 15 minutes.
- few day defensive timers for sov - just adjust probably 1 field in database.

All things are changes in database , very, very simple changes.
We are not talking about months or weeks for change this , but minutes including checking the documentation what to change.

What im suggesting is not total fix , but part of those changes.

As for smaller alliances , how often they bridge few 255 man fleets?
How often they drop 50 supers to kill small tower or battlecruiser in some remote lowsec.
How many small groups now own sov ?

Sov and other nul mechanics are broken or at least in serious need of loving, agreed.

But:



Seriously? In that time frame all you can hope to get is a statement from CCP to the effect of 'well ok, we'll think about it and start planning'. If you expect anything more you're doing it wrong. If CCP put sov changes to top priority and did only that forgetting other changes to the game you'd be lucky to get the first sov related changes out in spring 2015.