EVE General Discussion

Can you prove it was them?

The problem with banning code members is the vast majority of them are throwaway alts.

Instead, I'd like to see them take action against all the real life threats and flagrant verbal abuse being thrown around by our detractors. You know, since that actually is a violation of the EULA and ganking is not.

I've heard some crap from these "people" that I wouldn't hear in a warzone. That's why I give to CODE, after all. Because that kind of abuse needs to be persecuted relentlessly.

Yes, you and CODE. are righteous champions of justice. Ever occur to you that those threats and verbal abuse come right after you gank them?

I don't believe I ever said they were justified, only that they were caused by it.

So you agree that there is no excuse for it? That it's not justified?

No, they're caused by bad attitudes on the part of the person who failed to defend themselves.

And, to answer your question, no. They don't just do that when they get ganked, they do it if they see a CODE corp ticker, they do it if you mention the word "permit", and they do it if you even question their supposed right to be afk in open space.

However, they have recently begun what I consider a campaign that borders on new player harassment. That is not something I find acceptable in any way and the attitudes shown by their recent victims may have something to do with the fact that they have only been playing for less than a week and aren't even aware of what's expected of them.

You're going to need to provide evidence for this claim. Pardon us if we don't take you at your word.

Edit: Please do it in a way that adheres to the forum rules.

Long ago, it's reported that a person opposed to The New Order of Halaima (hereinafter "CODE." or "ganker") got involved in a Local Chat battle. Local Chat battles seem to very enjoyable events for CODE. members. They are something of a separate sport outside of piloting ships, it seems. If there is an intermission on the action, CODE. can often be counted on to do its best to whip up some intermission entertainment in Local Chat. Sometimes they can be quite diligent and persistent about it, as if trying to force a response.

In any event, on one of those occasions, reportedly, the person opposed to CODE. that we speak of (hereinafter "F. SEAL") made a comment or comments about text in a ganker individual's bio. The text was a tribute to a deceased member of the EVE community. Unforgivable and tasteless conduct, I think any reader will agree. But apparently, that communication was made in Local Chat, or perhaps Private Convo. In any event, it was communicated to a limited audience, and the text of limited duration, subject to being lost unless deliberately found by Scroll Up.

But... thereafter, CODE's designated diplomat (who is, incidentally, a member of the current CSM), posted notice of that Local Chat communication here in General Discussion. By this writer's reading of the post, the content could be summarized as: "A member of the anti-ganking community said something foul and despicable about a murdered member of the EVE community. But out of respect, etc., etc., we'll let it drop." Said post thereby (in this writer's opinion), not limiting the damage of a harmful but temporary Local Chat post, but instead spreading it's exposure to the entire General Discussion-reading community. Where it notice of the harm would sit and be accessed by otherwise unknowing people over a period of days.

Time passed. CODE. people and anti-ganker people battled in space and in Local Chat. All was well. Then, a prominent member of the anti-ganking community posted on his blog that his spouse had passed away. It seems it was only a matter of time before CODE., with its love of prolonged Local Chat/Private Convo mind fooking, could not resist working that vulnerable point. The attack on the player featured The Conference Elite (main CODE. corp) loyalanon digging the player about his deceased wife in Convo, with prolonged gang-up/tag-team support. (An interesting detail: A Conference Elite corp member saying "and you're still doing her.") So much for "We're so offended about offensive chatting"....

The player quit the game, apparently he also took down all of his gankerbumping blogs. So I can't link the chat log that he'd posted. I or somebody can get the documentation though.

In summary: a) If you want to make hay with hypocritical propoganda, best do it right. It may make you look stupid if you get caught. b) Welcome to the Bonus Room, round 2! Same old thing, new package. c)