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i hate to say it but i agree with the goonie .....what has this universe come to

***NEWS FLASH*** This just in Bumping, all the cool kids are doing it... more at 11

now accepting applications and immediate hiring of "Bumpers" the pay is next to nothing, well infact it is nothing. off to vacation for 10days in portugal and when i get back all bumpers that were hired are then fired

I refuse to work a thread without pay.

Any danger of getting it back on its been since April!!!!!!!!

Breaks are breaks, does not matter if its a 15 min one or a year... or in between.

well since.. the SOMER thing is now finished..... and sorted... does this mean CCP Legal team now has time to sort Alliance Logo crap?

seems they can stop the break, thats positive, isn't it ;).

It is extremely easy to have a license in where you give CCP the right to use YOUR IP (logo) in their game to display in the alliance information window. Also very simple to allow the owner of the IP to choose to allow or disallow outside entities from accessing a stored image file of your logo stored on CCP servers for killboards, tournaments, and other 3rd party sites. If at any point you want them to stop, you send a cease and desist, and they uncheck the boxes. Easy.

The issue is that CCP doesn't want to restrict itself from making future profit off of your IP. Just like facebook, YOU are the product here. CCP is in a weird situation where they want the right to make profit (direct or indirect) off of your work without just saying it outright. It's not about liability, it's about profit.

If CCP would just back off from trying to own your IP and implement a simple 2-step license like in the first paragraph, where players own their IP and allow CCP to use it under those situations, this issue would be solved.

CCP owns your character data and everything in game. CCP does not own your IP and creative works.

Signing over ownership of your creative works to CCP means that YOU can be sued any time in the future if you use YOUR logo, name, or anything else eve related in a youtube video, stream or other type of broadcast. You are then making a profit off of their IP that you signed over, and they CAN sue you.

Screw that. There are tons of people that make real life money off of being gamers. Some even make a living off of it. These people then are open to legal action from CCP.

What i see so far amounts to "CCP owns everything, but we pwomise not to bother/sue you. Pwomise. Unless you make enough money off it for it to be worth our time to go after you."

Personally, I'm tired of being treated like a product that can be milked of anything profitable, especially from a GAME that I have to PAY for.

As CCP says, "Greed is good."

Get yours. Don't let CCP make you into a sucker.

Alliance logos are by far the most valuable IP in this game. Don't sign yours over. Make sure CCP understands that signing over your IP is unacceptable.

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For those of you confused as to why CCP is trying to do this, imagine this scenario:

It is the year 2020. EVE subscribership has increased dramatically. Over 100 million people play eve and a million are on at a time. The game is so popular, CCP is selling books describing the exploits of famous pilots, corporations, and alliances. They are selling T-shirts, pens, anything you can think of with the logos of the more famous alliances on it. CCP markets alliance-related products to your alliance members, who are more than happy to buy merchandise with their beloved alliance logo (that is owned by CCP) on it. Huge profits are made by CCP, and none of it goes to the original artist, who had to PAY CCP for the subscription to be able to submit their artwork to be stolen in the first place.

You do something epic in eve that people hear about, it increases the value of the associated IP. The more epic things you do, the more CCP gets paid.

Greed is good.

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It almost feels like CCP is purposely delaying this so people forget their previous IP is mostly protected. They then come out with an extremely well worded ironclad contract where you get screwed out of owning your IP if you want an alliance logo. Some people have been waiting for close to a year for a new logo. It would take a competent lawyer a few hours work to write up a suitable contract that allows CCP to use your IP. Not 8 months.

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I would also like to point out something in the dev blog written on 13.02.2014 linked to in the OP:

"CCP’s ownership of everything used in the game client is necessary under current intellectual property law and is also an industry standard practice in the MMO-space."

This is not necessary under current IP law. Talk to Judge Dredd again. Industry standard practice in the MMO-space is to design the logo with a tool IN-GAME, from a limited set of graphics, which the company then owns. Just like eve corporation logos. There is no way to somehow come up with an already copyrighted logo that way if you didn't first put the graphics into the selection set for the player to choose. This is not the same as eve where you design a completely unique piece of artwork that is then imported into eve. WoW, the industry standard, uses this method to protect themselves from liability, and allow the process to be automated. CCP is encouraging us to create our own custom logos which they process in a batch with a real person controlling the process.

CCP kind of shot themselves in the foot when they allowed user-created logos in the first place. There is no possible way they can verify that the logo submitted is not copyrighted somewhere. This means that you can create an alliance logo that is copyrighted, "sign over" the rights to something you don't own to CCP, which CCP then uses. CCP is already open to legal action in this way, so HAVING to sign over the IP does not protect CCP from legal action from a third party. It only protects them from you, their customer.

So, the reason why CCP wants you to sign over the IP you own is so CCP can't be sued by YOU over the IP you signed over. Logic for idiots. Oh... that and profits.


Another line from the same blog:
"Under our EULA, when Alliances and corporations are created in game, their names become part of EVE’s intellectual property (“IP”). "

I just found a corporation in eve called "Monsanto Corporation". I believe Monsanto would like a word with you regarding this statement.


TL;DR: CCP wants to own and monetize your alliance logo. You could be the one owning and monetizing your alliance logo.

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