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Sov and Capital changes - Time line & commitment from CCP side

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Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#21 - 2014-08-03 04:54:42 UTC
I can't agree

If the task was either small or simple, I'm sure things would have already been done.

Reworking null sec is a huge job and I would rather CCP take their time and get it right so that it works.

Giving arbitrary deadlines helps nobody. We all know that they know it's broken and are looking at it, what more can they do?

Isn't it more of a case that the meta is broken rather than the game anyway? The meta has led to the blue donut, not actual game mechanics.

General Nusense
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-08-03 04:57:54 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
that ten man gang is going to find nobody in null because everyone is in Empire grinding L4s on a neutral alt, because running missions is the only thing that will scale with the amount of people needing to make ISK. Good job driving everyone out of null with your stupid idillyic vision of nullsec, that can't support more than 10 people in a system as it is.


So basically nothing will change and thanks for pointing out that any change suggested by CFC should be thrown away, since you spend most of your time in High Sec, Grinding LVL 4 missions.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.

Anthar Thebess
#23 - 2014-08-03 08:54:27 UTC
I don't agree.
First of all - people where raising issues with current SOV and capitals for YEARS, and all those items put us in current situation.

For years the where ignored.
I'm aware about new Executive producer , im also aware that one of the things CCP wants to change is something about sov and probably capitals.

We don't know what will be changed, or when.
like i stated before , issues about sov and capitals are nothing new - so im asking for commitment , deadlines from CCP side - as we where ignored for last years.

Without knowing what CCP will change we can wakeup in 1 year with grate SOV fix made by CCP:
1. 50% more in sov cost
2. max 50 systems per alliance
3. smaller range of JB
4. capital fuel usage increased by next 50% , range reduced by 1/3

so stuff that will not change any thing , as :
ad1 . Renters will just pay more ,to cover all empty space
ad2 . Instead of 1 alliance holding 500 systems we will have 10 holding 50
ad3 . People will put more JB
ad4 . 2 rented systems -1.0 ad 4-5 r64 can still pay for all capital movements


Laen Myotis
GBTeam
#24 - 2014-08-03 11:29:25 UTC
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#25 - 2014-08-03 11:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Anthar Thebess wrote:

In the near future , so less than 3-4 months CCP will make changes to :
- SOV
- Capitals and Super Capitals

Be careful what you wish for.
Think about it for a moment. Think about how long it took them to rebalance hacs (hint: they're still doing balance passes on them). Look at how long it took to do the cruisers. They still haven't gotten around to recons.

Now look at dominion sov. We've had to live with that for what, four or five years? Odds are we'll have to live with the new sov system for at least that long. And dominion sov most assuredly took longer than 3 months to develop.

You know what happens when game devs rush to release? They usually push out total crap. Seriously, a rushed development cycle and a quality product are almost mutually exclusive. This holds doubly true for mmo content. And this is doubly true again for Eve. You know why? Because whatever they push out, we're gonna have to live with it for years. Personally, I hope they take their time and do it right. Because those changes to caps, supers, and sov will shape eve for years to come.

What is with all of the toddler tantrum "I want my toy now!" threads of late? James had one a week or two ago, demanding a comprehensive capital, supercapital, and sov update in 6-8 weeks (when hyperion releases) lol. Most of you are adults, with something that passes for a brain sitting inside your skull. Rub your two neurons together and think before you post.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-08-03 11:57:50 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:


Please don't spam this topic.
If you also want to know the answer to this question from CCP : like this topic and post :


What an obvious attempt at like-whoring.

If you absolutely have to do it, at least do it right next time.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#27 - 2014-08-03 12:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Django Askulf
General Nusense wrote:
any change suggested by CFC should be thrown away



Yes.

Also kind of funny the growing bandwagon about SOV and Power projection nowdays, and most everyone in null, did this to themselves.

Lets create huge rental empires, cry about sentries (certain group), which make the grind slower, then demand CCP fix's it all for us.

Im all for changes, but really. I half feel like if I were CCP, I would just tell the public tough ****. NIP's, BOTLORD accords....wtfever.
Prince Kobol
#28 - 2014-08-03 12:45:23 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:


What is with all of the toddler tantrum "I want my toy now!" threads of late? James had one a week or two ago, demanding a comprehensive capital, supercapital, and sov update in 6-8 weeks (when hyperion releases) lol. Most of you are adults, with something that passes for a brain sitting inside your skull. Rub your two neurons together and think before you post.



Dude, people have been asking for changes to Sov Mechanics and Capitals for years now, this is nothing new.


Prince Kobol
#29 - 2014-08-03 12:51:54 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
General Nusense wrote:
any change suggested by CFC should be thrown away



Yes.

Also kind of funny the growing bandwagon about SOV and Power projection nowdays, and most everyone in null, did this to themselves.

Lets create huge rental empires, cry about sentries (certain group), which make the grind slower, then demand CCP fix's it all for us.

Im all for changes, but really. I half feel like if I were CCP, I would just tell the public tough ****. NIP's, BOTLORD accords....wtfever.



Kind off.

Sure the place we are in now is mainly due to a few select people who control most of null preferring to have agreements to earn massive amounts of isk and organised good fights instead of beating the **** out of each other, but on the other hand Sov Mechanics are so terrible that this was bound to happen.

Path of least resistance.

Arec Bardwin
#30 - 2014-08-03 12:55:16 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Yes , i'm asking CCP for making a commitment.

CCP is obviously committed, whether they like it or not, since EVE Online is the source of their only income.

A company management which ignores the slow decline of the product that the company's existence depends upon would be pretty incompetent, wouldn't you say?
Director Stoned
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-08-03 12:56:05 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
What the hell is a 10 man gang going to do to the 500 dudes in local because the entire Goon alliance is crammed into one constellation? What is actually going to happen is that ten man gang is going to find nobody in null because everyone is in Empire grinding L4s on a neutral alt, because running missions is the only thing that will scale with the amount of people needing to make ISK. Good job driving everyone out of null with your stupid idillyic vision of nullsec, that can't support more than 10 people in a system as it is.


Like chill out. I like throw my support like towards your like all worshipful leader and you like to get all up in my junk. like stay out of my junk and like it would be like awesome to see goons all like in a constellation unable to like get out for fear of a fight against a 10 man lowsec gang like in griffin's and comets. Like your whole attitude is like very tribal you like missed something as a child.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#32 - 2014-08-03 14:35:14 UTC
70% of nullsec is empty, and yet 100% of all sov-null systems are claimed.

i can wh*re on nullsec anomalies/ore/or-whatever all day long with my mates and yet system is not ours (at least not "officially on the paper")

Why? just because there is a nearly infinite EHP flag claiming that it is {random alliance name} property? Big smile

Why should we fight for something what we can have for free? Moons were nerfed, supers can be bought from sell forums and rating/plexing can be done by simple ninja tactic. Fighting for sov is pointless.

WTF? Big smile

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2014-08-03 15:18:30 UTC
I am very glad that the players of this wonderful game remind CCP every once in a while to communicate their ideas to us. This way we don't get a repetition of the communication debacle surrounding the industry overhaul. We forgot to remind CCP that time and look what happened, they changed an essential part of the game without even informing us ONCE! Not a single forum post or dev blog on the subject at all, for a change of that magnitude! Can you believe that, that's completely insane!

I mean, sh*t they could have even announced their ideas and timelines at Fanfest, where we could have all seen it. But they didn't, probably because they forgot or simply aren't working on anything.

So thank you again for reminding CCP to announce their plans. Because otherwise we would just log in one day and find a 1.2GB patch with a whole bunch of changes that weren't announced. Thank you so very very very much for being this pro-active. It really helps CCP to make a better game and it makes for interesting and civil discussions on the forums.

I recommend everyone likes OP's post to show their gratitude for all the work OP has done for us.

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Miss Tix
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-08-03 20:54:55 UTC
We need more types of capital ships. At the moment it is just who brings the most. By having differnt ships and fittings it brings more stratergy to the game making it less numbers based. Like subcap warfare is now.

The sov system should have something to do with the sun. There is one per system so put it use.
voetius
Grundrisse
#35 - 2014-08-03 21:04:00 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Isn't stuff like this what the CSM is for? If anything.


Rather than seeing a kneejerk response by Seagull, not much chance of that though, I'd like to know what the CSM think of it. Do CCP need to communicate more e.g.
Airdorn
Tempest Vector
#36 - 2014-08-03 21:52:28 UTC
Please make it so a single player can jump a carrier around without a buddy already there with a cyno.

Mattpat139 Sukarala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-08-03 22:14:08 UTC
support. no doubt they've seen the bloggers and the sub-Reddit and are actively working on it but i think we should know whats going on.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5376912#post5376912

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#38 - 2014-08-03 23:31:07 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Prince Kobol wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:


What is with all of the toddler tantrum "I want my toy now!" threads of late? James had one a week or two ago, demanding a comprehensive capital, supercapital, and sov update in 6-8 weeks (when hyperion releases) lol. Most of you are adults, with something that passes for a brain sitting inside your skull. Rub your two neurons together and think before you post.



Dude, people have been asking for changes to Sov Mechanics and Capitals for years now, this is nothing new.



Yeah but demanding them to start now (as their summer holiday is winding down) and push a finished product (comprehensive cap, super, and sov overhaul) in 3 months is sub moronic. You're either gonna get ignored or (in the worst case) they will actually listen to you and push out something totally rushed and sh*t-tastic in 3 months that we'll all have to live with for 5 years.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-08-03 23:58:56 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
As your customer , can i have answers to simple questions. ...

Yes , i'm asking CCP for making a commitment.


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Doomheim
#40 - 2014-08-04 00:59:32 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Remove sov. Read my signature.



With sov came larger alliances, get rid of sov won't change that, the damage is already done.