Wormholes

Also, this is just a terrible move. Regardless of whether this is final coding or not just don't mess with the jump mechanics of wormholes. They are fine how they are.

Honestly if this is the kind of stuff you are going to do with wormholes without consulting the community of which it will affect the most.. just don't mess with wspace.

Talk to Corbexx, talk to the wspace community. Find out what we want changed if anything. Don't go messing with things we didn't ask for. Right now wspace is the best space mechanics wise and any changes need to be taken with care.

It doesn't make any sense. WHers like their space, Null seccers do not. Fix the broken space before you start messing with other space.

That sounds really backwards. Why not have the heavier ships spawn closer to the wormhole and have the lighter ships flung further away?

Capitals and Orcas will still spawn within 5km like everything else now and frigates will be the ships that end up 50km away and spread out.

And who said wormholers don't hold grudges?

This is an absolutely terrible change. Keep up the good work, CCP.

1. Rolling holes with capitals will be a thing of the past as you now have 5 minutes of your capital exposed which people won't do. So if you're not using capitals, then you won't be putting nearly as much mass on a hole as quick... so cloaky carrier **** won't work anymore.
2. Dreads will decloak at their optimal. Blap dreads are goign to be a thing again. Best way to counter t3 blob when you have multiple dreads, spread the dreads out so they can always track. GG CCP
3. MWD BS will become primary mode of rolling holes. 10 sets for a 3B hole. BS can have prop mod to run away, MJD to jump away unless you have scram, scorpions?, less isk at risk, and more i didn't think of
4. Control a fight on a hole by changing the mass quickly? Not going to happen when you have to slowboat 30km
5. Capital/Freighter jumps through hole, your ****** bubble missed it as it spawned outside range... it gets webbed away and lives... GG
6. Less content, more frustration.

And that's just the stuff that came to mind in the first 5 mins.


Edit: This whole things stinks of "We don't know what is going into next mini-release, lets just change some **** and call it awesome new content generator"

Whatever mechanic you have to cause this effect; apply it to cynos too please.

Polarization doesn't happen with gates, and aggression timers don't affect wormholes. Apples and oranges.

I'm gonna have to err on the side of "not the best idea" as well.

Generally, I have little to say when CCP decides to change one mechanic or another in the game; I find it far more productive to find ways to adapt to changes other than whine about them. However, in this case, I think I may need some cheese.

My corp, which is much smaller, tends to farm wormholes in a transient style - move in for just a few days or even hours at a time, farm what we can, and leave. But in doing that, we travel together, with a couple combat ships and various mining and indy ships all at once. I hate to think that jumping though a womhole could possibly place me upwards of 40 to 80 kilometers away from my indy guys (supposing that RNG places us at say 20k off on opposite sides of the hole). I feel that this mechanic somewhat cheapens the wolf-pack tactic that helps to keep us safe, and it would certainly have a significant impact on our ability to do what we do.

I do hope that CCP does find a way to achieve whatever goal it is they have for implementing this change without so harshly penalizing loyal wormholers like myself and the others who have posted here.

This change in its current SISI implementation is ridiculous. Not only this makes rolling wh even more tedious but also makes this extremely dangerous.

Now, increasing "slightly" random distance to lets say 10ish km could be considered but firstly we need to have a good reason for it. So the question is: WHY?

One answer can be that its too easy to roll wh during pvp to cut away from enemy or cut his way of escaping. While in principle this can be good for the game at the same time in 99% of situations (where there is no pvp) this will only increase time needed to get back trough the wh. At the same time this will help scanners to always be in cloaking range from wh.

But is all of the above good? I'm not sure. I would like a random situation where this would occur. A random element to the game that from time to time can spark a nice fight. But making a rule of it? I don't think so.

Again this change like many proposed before is benefiting mostly large entities that are capable of capital killings. Where smaller entities will be in fear whenever taking capital from SMA.

That's quite delusional regarding nullsec. If anything, the WH people should easily get kills in 0.0 if the are looking a for fight.

Anyway, Instead of jumping in and out with your dread in a risk-free maneuver, you'll need a scout to have a warp out and warp back in? Takes an entire minute. Unless the reason is not to find a fight, like oh-everyone-so-claims, but to avoid one.

Fix broken thing, this isn't one!

Bad:

Rolling will be unpleasant as hell, be it for aggressive party that want to find fight or for defensive party that want to close their home.

Sniping dread spreading around hole............

Catching Cov Ops and Blockade Runner will be gone...

Even more Ishtar fleet spreading around... NO THANK

Good:

None...