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Loot worth on l4

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Zhuk Pauk
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-08-03 08:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhuk Pauk
I am doing lvl 4 missions for sisters in 0.5 sec on Assault frig and i have a question, which bother me every time - is it worth salvaging/looting stuff (tractor unit while doing and destroyer after) when parts of missions cant be completed through blitzing or it's too cheap for now, even for refine and i should not waste time on it and go farm lp faster?
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-08-03 18:26:01 UTC
Zhuk Pauk wrote:
I am doing lvl 4 missions for sisters in 0.5 sec on Assault frig and i have a question, which bother me every time - is it worth salvaging/looting stuff (tractor unit while doing and destroyer after) when parts of missions cant be completed through blitzing or it's too cheap for now, even for refine and i should not waste time on it and go farm lp faster?

Do whatever you want. There's still ISK to be made in salvage and loot, it's just significantly less than pre-nerf salvage and loot.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-08-03 19:01:50 UTC
To get the best of both worlds, only salvage the large wrecks. While doing that cherry pick through all the loot and keep the high meta lv mods to sell in market. Shouldn't take long at all since the usual average of wrecks containing loot is about 1/5th and of those only 1/3rd will actually contain something other than Metal Scraps.



DMC
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#4 - 2014-08-04 19:05:22 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
Zhuk Pauk wrote:
I am doing lvl 4 missions for sisters in 0.5 sec on Assault frig and i have a question, which bother me every time - is it worth salvaging/looting stuff (tractor unit while doing and destroyer after) when parts of missions cant be completed through blitzing or it's too cheap for now, even for refine and i should not waste time on it and go farm lp faster?

Do whatever you want. There's still ISK to be made in salvage and loot, it's just significantly less than pre-nerf salvage and loot.


1. Not sure the salvage is worth less at all.
2. Loot seems to be worth just as much if you don't refine it. That's a major PITA. I wont know for sure till I go to town and sell though.

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are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-08-04 19:17:04 UTC
Loot (the good stuff) is worth just as much now. The stuff that used to sell for mineral value now sells for less. As for whether it's worth it? That depends wholly upon time.

Since I only have enough time for 1 or 2 L4's a night (when I have enough time for them at all) I go ahead and drop an MTU in any non-drone missions and come back for loot/salvage in a noctis.

The other day in "The Assault" I made 21 mil in bounties and 24 mil in loot :)
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-08-05 02:23:06 UTC
The higher your skills and the more blinged your ride the more profitable it is to blitz.

Exceptions:
- known high value loot like the possible 20 mill implant in the AE 4th room silo or the one dropped by Scarlet
- large wrecks that died right in your face and are floating 5000m away
- you are going to be afk (toilet break for example) so may as well set off an MTU


Note that you can set filters in your inventory to only show loot above a certain value. Typically in a level IV the loot worth less than 30-100K takes up over 3/4 of the space in cargo but returns less than 10% of the value. If you leave teh cheap cr@p behind you can save a second trip and get on with the next mission.
Kenpo
The Guardians of the Beam
#7 - 2014-08-05 17:09:09 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
To get the best of both worlds, only salvage the large wrecks. While doing that cherry pick through all the loot and keep the high meta lv mods to sell in market. Shouldn't take long at all since the usual average of wrecks containing loot is about 1/5th and of those only 1/3rd will actually contain something other than Metal Scraps.



DMC


Pretty much what I do, keep the high lvl meta gear, salvage the wrecks, reprocess the low meta gear into minerals.

Caution, rubber gloves and faceshield required when handling this equipment.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-08-05 22:38:17 UTC
Kenpo wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
To get the best of both worlds, only salvage the large wrecks. While doing that cherry pick through all the loot and keep the high meta lv mods to sell in market. Shouldn't take long at all since the usual average of wrecks containing loot is about 1/5th and of those only 1/3rd will actually contain something other than Metal Scraps.



DMC


Pretty much what I do, keep the high lvl meta gear, salvage the wrecks, reprocess the low meta gear into minerals.

Yeah, I did that for a very long time with the Noctis. It's a very excellent ship that does mission clean-up very quickly.

However I don't do that too much anymore, except for very large missions and Epic Arcs. Now I just keep a set of Salvage Drones that I let loose and by the time I've cherry picked through the loot for the Meta Level 3 and Level 4 mods, the Salvage Drones are pretty much done salvaging.



DMC
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-08-07 20:09:12 UTC
Salvaging is worth it, anything else is a waste of time. All lvl 4 loot's sellprice has dramatically gone down, not even looting the large wrecks is worth it anymore.

In Amarr space a Modulated Tachyon Beam laser usually sold for +750.000 isk, now it sells for roughly 150.000 isk.

If you were to look through all the wrecks, look for the Internal Force Field Array and for the Pseudoelectron Containment Field. Both are damage control units and sell for +4.5 million isk each.

Most salvage prices are unaffected though and are still worth doing.
Armor Uta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-08-09 19:11:44 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The higher your skills and the more blinged your ride the more profitable it is to blitz.

Exceptions:
- known high value loot like the possible 20 mill implant in the AE 4th room silo or the one dropped by Scarlet
- large wrecks that died right in your face and are floating 5000m away
- you are going to be afk (toilet break for example) so may as well set off an MTU


Note that you can set filters in your inventory to only show loot above a certain value. Typically in a level IV the loot worth less than 30-100K takes up over 3/4 of the space in cargo but returns less than 10% of the value. If you leave teh cheap cr@p behind you can save a second trip and get on with the next mission.


also in worlds collide have a chance at a nice implant drop if you get high bounty overseer spawn. I got a high-grade snake beta drop from a serpentis overseer spawn. This is fairly rare however usually it's a low bounty overseer.
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-08-09 19:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: NIFTYGetAtMe
Nevermind.
Jax Kazen
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-08-14 17:45:40 UTC
Obviously it also kind of depends on the mission. For example, I'm currently milking two Enemies Abound missions - they are 5 part missions and the loot is ballpark of:

Mission 1 - 18-20M
Mission 2 - Delivery
Mission 3 - 40M
Mission 4 - 40M
Mission 5 - 45M

It takes a month but you can milk each set of 5 missions for ballpark of 1B isk and each one (with the exception of 5 which is on a timer) takes like 15-30 mins with an optimal fitted ship. I just drop the Tractor unit and take the tags and valuable stuff and level the ammo and drones.

Other missions like Worlds Collide is more about the bounties unless you get the Overseer spawn which will have a chance of an implant or faction loot.

I would try using Eve Survival to see which ones are worth it. Most the missions there have comments where people do break outs of the loot/salvage on the missions.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#13 - 2014-08-14 18:11:31 UTC
So has anyone run the numbers post nerf? The loot value given in game does not represent current market prices very well at all. It appears to take some time for it to catch up. I think I got about 180 on 230 last time I sold but that was right after the patch.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2014-08-14 18:41:38 UTC
Jax Kazen wrote:
Obviously it also kind of depends on the mission. For example, I'm currently milking two Enemies Abound missions - they are 5 part missions and the loot is ballpark of:

Mission 1 - 18-20M
Mission 2 - Delivery
Mission 3 - 40M
Mission 4 - 40M
Mission 5 - 45M

It takes a month but you can milk each set of 5 missions for ballpark of 1B isk and each one (with the exception of 5 which is on a timer) takes like 15-30 mins with an optimal fitted ship. I just drop the Tractor unit and take the tags and valuable stuff and level the ammo and drones.

Other missions like Worlds Collide is more about the bounties unless you get the Overseer spawn which will have a chance of an implant or faction loot.

I would try using Eve Survival to see which ones are worth it. Most the missions there have comments where people do break outs of the loot/salvage on the missions.


EA drops a lot in tags, and also drops a bunch of meta loot. Maybe I should try farming them sometime, but I play can get erratic and I would probably forget and let it expire. My biggest annoyance with it is I get more in LP than I can cash out with the tags I get, not to mention the imbalance in the tags that do drop Roll

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Asinar
The Hotdog
#15 - 2014-08-15 06:15:44 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Salvaging is worth it, anything else is a waste of time. All lvl 4 loot's sellprice has dramatically gone down, not even looting the large wrecks is worth it anymore.

In Amarr space a Modulated Tachyon Beam laser usually sold for +750.000 isk, now it sells for roughly 150.000 isk.

If you were to look through all the wrecks, look for the Internal Force Field Array and for the Pseudoelectron Containment Field. Both are damage control units and sell for +4.5 million isk each.

Most salvage prices are unaffected though and are still worth doing.


Amarr guns etc not being worth much, that is generally true for all weapons when you are trying to sell em at that factions market.
Amarr-ship guns sold in Amarr, Projectile Turrets in Rens etc.

Missioning close to Jita has it upsides too. Can get decent prices on loot but mostly the items I buy (ammo, modules etc) are as cheap as it gets.

Is it worth looting/salvaging? Depends very heavily on mission. Another factor could be, what are you doing simultaneously?
Surfing the web, watching a movie? You could salvage and loot a mission at the same time.
And then when you are more into action and stuff, just skip the looting/salvaging part.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#16 - 2014-08-16 05:39:39 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
To get the best of both worlds, only salvage the large wrecks. While doing that cherry pick through all the loot and keep the high meta lv mods to sell in market. Shouldn't take long at all since the usual average of wrecks containing loot is about 1/5th and of those only 1/3rd will actually contain something other than Metal Scraps.



DMC


What this man said. To make it faster during a mission, you can set up an inventory filter that shows high meta (though you may need to tweak it here and there), then toggle that each mission to save some time.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#17 - 2014-08-16 05:43:16 UTC
Also, tags from faction missions are still good for the time and energy. Standings be damned, I say. If I need something from Gallente or Minmatar space, I have alts that can do the heavy lifting in that department.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-08-16 09:05:49 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
To get the best of both worlds, only salvage the large wrecks. While doing that cherry pick through all the loot and keep the high meta lv mods to sell in market. Shouldn't take long at all since the usual average of wrecks containing loot is about 1/5th and of those only 1/3rd will actually contain something other than Metal Scraps.



DMC


What this man said. To make it faster during a mission, you can set up an inventory filter that shows high meta (though you may need to tweak it here and there), then toggle that each mission to save some time.



If your cherry picking loot and not salvaging you can set up a MTU then proceed to shoot the small wrecks and empty wrecks. Just be VERY careful you actually own them.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#19 - 2014-08-16 22:12:32 UTC
Ah, that reminds me of something. A little off topic, but it would be nice to have deployables not owned by you colored as yellow to help discern them from your own on the fly. Unless there is a way to have overview show only yours and not everyone's that I missed. That and that damned tug-of-war thing they like to do gets a little annoying at times.

Back on topic, I use to use a rather simple filter that was set to show items according to a certain estimated value. I kind of would advise against that, though, and stick with a Meta filter or something like that since the estimated is just that and sometimes way off base with local buying prices. At 300,000 ISK value or higher, I would still find the odd item stack that was worth less than a thousand ISK (cheap survey scanners would still show up for instance) and quite a few others that where well below 300,000.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Ginger Barbarella
#20 - 2014-08-16 23:11:47 UTC
For what it's worth, I drop a MTU, then come back and cherry pick the high value stuff. Since CCP nerfed repro it isn't even worth picking up any more. I only really salvage now when I'm either bored or sitting around waiting for an MTU to finish scooping.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

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