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Add a small role bonus to t1 Logistics ships.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#1 - 2011-12-07 23:04:55 UTC

One of the major difficulties in using the t1 logistics ships for logistics, is they lack the fitting to effectively fit Remote Reps.

A small role bonus to these ships would greatly improve their viability as learner logistics ships.

Exequror:
Add a 40-50% reduction to the PG requirements of Remote Armor Reps. This will allow it to fit an 800mm plate, an mwd, and 3-4 Medium RAR's.

Osprey:
Add a 35-45% reduction to the CPU requirements of Shield Transfers. This will allow it to fit a LSE and 3 Medium Shield Transporters.

Augoror:
Add a 25% reduction ot the PG requirements of Remote Energy Transfers.

The goal of these changes is to enable the Exeq and Osprey to effectively perform logistics. They will still have much less tank and repping ability than their t2 counterparts, but they will have be able to provide enough logistics to a fleet as to warrant their use.

I'm looking for ideas. Please post any thoughts, comments, or problems these changes might create.
CobaltSixty
Fawkes' Loyal Professionals
#2 - 2011-12-07 23:44:53 UTC
Indeed, allowing the tier-1 mining/utility cruisers to fit modest tanks and fully utilize medium remote armor/shield transporter modules would go a long way to creating Logistics roles in fleets for new pilots while still encouraging them to make the step up to the T2 Logistics Cruisers. Furthermore, this sets the stage for T2 Logistics frigates (using bonused, small modules), a discussion which has popped up in another thread on Features & Ideas. Still, do not overlook the Scythe and Augoror's roles. They are just as underused as the Osprey and Exequror and all should more closely mirror their T2 progeny.

Augoror - Armor and capacitor. Needs a buddy for capacitor to work.
Osprey - Shields and capacitor. Needs a buddy for capacitor to work.
Exequror - Armor only. Can function alone, armor reps not as effective as Augoror but longer-ranged.
Scythe - Shields only. Can function alone, shield reps not as effective as Osprey but longer-ranged.

These ships were designed quite a bit before T1 mining barges, let alone Exhumers. Drop the silly pretense that a mining cruiser is a good idea and give these funny looking ships new life!
Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
#3 - 2011-12-08 01:24:06 UTC
CobaltSixty wrote:
These ships were designed quite a bit before T1 mining barges, let alone Exhumers. Drop the silly pretense that a mining cruiser is a good idea and give these funny looking ships new life!


definately wish the t1 logistics were functional. I often strait up use other cruiser/bc for the role of logistics, and just stick close to my target. if they actually lived up to the role they suggest, I would have a blast in them, and not mind loosing them either.

and yeah for the logi frig as well.
GeneralKool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-12-08 02:26:36 UTC
Good idea, these ships should become a bigger part of PvP as well.

+1
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#5 - 2011-12-08 02:38:38 UTC
+1

Would encourage more pilots to take the plunge into training Logi if they can actually try it out first.

Overhaul Dscan!
Nikki Forte
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#6 - 2011-12-08 15:50:53 UTC

+1 I approve of this!!!!!
Schnoo
The Schnoo
#7 - 2011-12-08 16:05:52 UTC
CobaltSixty wrote:

These ships were designed quite a bit before T1 mining barges, let alone Exhumers. Drop the silly pretense that a mining cruiser is a good idea and give these funny looking ships new life!

What other ship should a trial/new player try to get then? The road to barges is a long one.

But I do agree with the OP.
x Consigliere x
Black Mesa Research Complexe
#8 - 2011-12-08 17:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: x Consigliere x
Schnoo wrote:
CobaltSixty wrote:

These ships were designed quite a bit before T1 mining barges, let alone Exhumers. Drop the silly pretense that a mining cruiser is a good idea and give these funny looking ships new life!

What other ship should a trial/new player try to get then? The road to barges is a long one.

But I do agree with the OP.




Why not make teir 2 destoryers to replace the mining cruisers..they need a tier 2 destoryer anyways,or just another 1 in general
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#9 - 2011-12-08 17:35:36 UTC
Schnoo wrote:
What other ship should a trial/new player try to get then? The road to barges is a long one.

But I do agree with the OP.


TY for the +1:

Only the osprey and scythe have a bonus to mining yield, and my suggestions wouldn’t hurt the use of these ships as mining vessels.

IMO, while the Osprey, Scythe, Augoror, and Exequror are all the low tier cruisers, they are all meant to NOT have the same purpose. The bonuses on the Osprey and Exequror very much lend themselves to logistics, and they'd become reasonable facsimiles with the minor tweaks I suggested. Personally, I think the Scythe and Augoror need some bigger changes, (ex: Modify and Balance Augoror’s bonuses from energy transfers towards energy neuts/vamps, so it becomes a very interesting ship), but that's for CCP to review, and not the primary purpose of this thread.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-08 18:38:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
They all need either a remote repair or shield transfer cap usage bonus, a +500% range role bonus for these modules and then some race specific flavor bonus. Cap transfer is too niche and not nearly as exciting as actual repping. Same for tracking links. Mining cruisers are completely obsoleted by barges so they can RIP, while people have been wanting a stepping stone to actual T2 logistics for a while. It all falls into place basically.
Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
#11 - 2011-12-08 19:38:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Bearilian
x Consigliere x wrote:
Schnoo wrote:
CobaltSixty wrote:

These ships were designed quite a bit before T1 mining barges, let alone Exhumers. Drop the silly pretense that a mining cruiser is a good idea and give these funny looking ships new life!

What other ship should a trial/new player try to get then? The road to barges is a long one.

But I do agree with the OP.




Why not make teir 2 destoryers to replace the mining cruisers..they need a tier 2 destoryer anyways,or just another 1 in general


I was thinking along a line like this. why mix mining cruiser and logistics cruiser, separate these tasks into different vessels.
and you can get a retriever fairly fast in comparison to the rest of the ships the only lvl 5 skill needed is industry, compare that to logistic ships where you generally need 3 lvl 5's(I think). maybe make a new destroyer with minig bonuses and maybe two small drones? Faction/Pirate destroyers anyone?
Xandralkus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-08 21:39:19 UTC
This I approve of.

Eve UI wouldn't suck if CCP allowed UI addons.
CobaltSixty
Fawkes' Loyal Professionals
#13 - 2011-12-08 23:09:10 UTC
Schnoo wrote:
What other ship should a trial/new player try to get then? The road to barges is a long one.

But I do agree with the OP.

There are already mining frigates which will never disappear and they're accessible very early on. The fact that not all tier-1 cruisers even HAVE mining bonii illustrates that these really aren't supposed to be an alternative, or even a stepping stone towards barges. Are you going to ask why there aren't mining battleships too?

Mining Barges/Exhumers can't be trained on trial accounts and along the same vein, no one should be able to "professionally" mine without subscribing. As I said in my justification, these cruisers were released long before even T1 barges. Times have changed and these 4 ships haven't been updated with the times. Correcting this is long overdue.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#14 - 2011-12-08 23:52:24 UTC
CobaltSixty wrote:
Schnoo wrote:
What other ship should a trial/new player try to get then? The road to barges is a long one.

But I do agree with the OP.

There are already mining frigates which will never disappear and they're accessible very early on. The fact that not all tier-1 cruisers even HAVE mining bonii illustrates that these really aren't supposed to be an alternative, or even a stepping stone towards barges. Are you going to ask why there aren't mining battleships too?

Mining Barges/Exhumers can't be trained on trial accounts and along the same vein, no one should be able to "professionally" mine without subscribing. As I said in my justification, these cruisers were released long before even T1 barges. Times have changed and these 4 ships haven't been updated with the times. Correcting this is long overdue.


actually they do... just not necessarily the logi ones:

Caldari - Osprey
Minmatar - Scythe
Gallente - Vexor (mining drones)
Amarr - Arbitrator (mining drones)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Elisha Starkiller
EU Industrials
#15 - 2011-12-09 15:00:27 UTC
Love this idea, was just coming here to post the same idea and I see that it has already been done,

my thought was what a nice addition to a roaming frig gang, or a cruiser roam...

I love flying logi and would recommend it to anyone but it took a long time for me to find that out, I wish I had trained them sooner,

now if i had access to a t1 version of the logi ships... AWESOME!

logi is somthing that newer pilots can not experience and they should be able to!

yea you dont get on killmails but the rush of saving most of your fleet while keeping the other logi's alive is just too good :D

on the other side this could open up incursions to newer players, lets say that 2 or 3 t1 logi = 1 t2?

all sounds good to me, down to you ccp....
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#16 - 2011-12-11 18:03:45 UTC

Sunday Bump...

Are there any other thoughts on this?