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Scout Trevis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-08-02 18:23:19 UTC
Greetings lovely EvE Community,


I was just watching the great Prophecy video again ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTUazuGdTw ) and still got left with one puzzling question which I could not answer delving trough my knowledge about EvE lore.


Aren't the capsuleers in the EMP'ed ships doomed to die or at least lose alot of SP?
As far as I understand capsule technology works the following: Capsule breach detected - inject nanotoxine, kill the capsuleer and send his/her consciousness to the active clone.

Or did I get that part wrong?

If not that would mean: EMP kills all electronics in the ships - capsuleers will drown/die due to missing live support in that gooey capsule without being properly 'killed'. Transfer of consciousness won't happen due to missing electronical support.

So no clone will get triggered to activate, and even if some of the SP will be lost?


Looking forward to your opinions/answers/lore knowledge.

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Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2014-08-03 02:15:41 UTC
Assuming the EMP was strong enough to breach through the ship around the capsule and penetrate it, it's quite likely the capsuleers were all killed and recloned the moment the EMP struck the capsule. After all we regularly encounter EMP-based weapons in use; a capsule which could be regularly disabled by any kind of EMP-based weapon would be a very bad capsule indeed.

That said, the Prophecy trailer is rife with lore problems to begin with; it's best not to look at it very closely in lore terms and just view it as a marketing trailer.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2014-08-03 11:22:43 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:

That said, the Prophecy trailer is rife with lore problems to begin with; it's best not to look at it very closely in lore terms and just view it as a marketing trailer.


Share some? I'm curious to what others have noticed. First thing I noticed was the incorrect terminology of "dust off" and the way the ships warped in. They all decellerated with an exageration of the new warp effect with less timing between them.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-08-04 16:03:17 UTC
Can't say I noticed much wrong with it, lore-wise. in fact it referenced some of the game's very oldest lore, the Prophecy of Macaper.

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CCP Falcon
#5 - 2014-08-06 15:18:24 UTC
The capsule is hardened against EMP, no capsuleers were harmed in the making of this trailer*.

Then again, there's few things more scary than being blind, deaf, inanimate and stuck inside a pressure sealed vat of goo...








*this is actually entirely untrue, they all got blowed up. Twisted

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#6 - 2014-08-12 07:40:24 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
The capsule is hardened against EMP, no capsuleers were harmed in the making of this trailer*.

Then again, there's few things more scary than being blind, deaf, inanimate and stuck inside a pressure sealed vat of goo...








*this is actually entirely untrue, they all got blowed up. Twisted



Having been on the receiving end of the old school AoE Doomsday, I would liken this to an original Judgement weapon. It seems to be at the very least 10 times more powerful than anything the Avatar could produce but the same effect. It still took two to get my pod. One for the ship, pod ejects, another for the Pod. (I had a DD proof Geddon the last time I was on the end of them, they dumped 3 on me - got my pod anyway but that's another story)

This was an EMP AoE but only one. It also unlocked a gate though. If Pods were in the battle, they could have been sucked through the gate to who knows where and what fate awaited them.
Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2014-08-12 21:11:26 UTC
Ocih wrote:

Having been on the receiving end of the old school AoE Doomsday, I would liken this to an original Judgement weapon. It seems to be at the very least 10 times more powerful than anything the Avatar could produce but the same effect. It still took two to get my pod. One for the ship, pod ejects, another for the Pod. (I had a DD proof Geddon the last time I was on the end of them, they dumped 3 on me - got my pod anyway but that's another story)

This was an EMP AoE but only one. It also unlocked a gate though. If Pods were in the battle, they could have been sucked through the gate to who knows where and what fate awaited them.


Speaking of Doomsday weapons, the Titan's in the video really bothered me. When it nailed that supercarrier, sure the thing went down, but it didn't explode. Also, why does the Empire only have one titan? Seriously, I mean capsuleers have hundreds collectively, or at least have had over the past 10 years (including those destroyed and those currently in use).

Also, on the topic of EMPs, wouldn't the fuel cells of all the ships have ruptured and caused more damage than they did in the video? Possible exploding or even imploding?

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Tavin Aikisen
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#8 - 2014-08-13 00:47:14 UTC
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Also, why does the Empire only have one titan? Seriously, I mean capsuleers have hundreds collectively, or at least have had over the past 10 years (including those destroyed and those currently in use).


That's part of the issue. Capsuleers are outgrowing the empires exponentially. :)

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Vulxanis Viceroy
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Khimi Harar
#9 - 2014-08-13 01:29:48 UTC
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Also, why does the Empire only have one titan? Seriously, I mean capsuleers have hundreds collectively, or at least have had over the past 10 years (including those destroyed and those currently in use).


That's part of the issue. Capsuleers are outgrowing the empires exponentially. :)


Ironically, soon after making that comment, I found this post a friend of mine had made.

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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
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Arataka Research Consortium
#10 - 2014-08-13 14:05:25 UTC
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Also, why does the Empire only have one titan? Seriously, I mean capsuleers have hundreds collectively, or at least have had over the past 10 years (including those destroyed and those currently in use).


That's part of the issue. Capsuleers are outgrowing the empires exponentially. :)


Ironically, soon after making that comment, I found this post a friend of mine had made.


While the Empires only have, at most, a few Iapetan Titans each, they all field very large capital fleets which include an indeterminately large number of conventional Titans of the same variety as those used by Capsuleers.

The trailer probably lacked a greater number of Titans for the following two possible reasons:

1) It was judged that the fleet which had been assembled would be sufficient to deal with the Drekkar forces. The ensuing battle seemed fairly evenly matched and it was only the activation of the gate that brought it to a close. Committing more forces than necessary to the fight would only weaken the Imperial position elsewhere. Further, if Imperial forces had an inkling that the gate was soon to be activated and would disable all nearby ships as it did, then it would only make sense to send only as many forces as needed so that reserve forces could be present to enter the fray fresh and unaffected by the EMP.

2) Additional Titans would have cluttered the setting and made for a slightly less awesome trailer. There is something pleasing about each of the ships arriving, larger and larger in size, with the fleet being completed by the arrival of a monstrous Titan which proceeds to open up a can of divine fury on the opposing Capsuleer fleet. I just don't think a similar effect could have been achieved by a large number of Titans showing up (especially if it required cutting arrival scene of the subcapital support fleet).

I might be going against the popular opinion of the RP community but I think that the empires each field supercapital fleets which are the superior of any Capsuleer force. For now.

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Vulxanis Viceroy
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Khimi Harar
#11 - 2014-08-16 05:20:10 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:


While the Empires only have, at most, a few Iapetan Titans each, they all field very large capital fleets which include an indeterminately large number of conventional Titans of the same variety as those used by Capsuleers.

The trailer probably lacked a greater number of Titans for the following two possible reasons:

1) It was judged that the fleet which had been assembled would be sufficient to deal with the Drekkar forces. The ensuing battle seemed fairly evenly matched and it was only the activation of the gate that brought it to a close. Committing more forces than necessary to the fight would only weaken the Imperial position elsewhere. Further, if Imperial forces had an inkling that the gate was soon to be activated and would disable all nearby ships as it did, then it would only make sense to send only as many forces as needed so that reserve forces could be present to enter the fray fresh and unaffected by the EMP.

2) Additional Titans would have cluttered the setting and made for a slightly less awesome trailer. There is something pleasing about each of the ships arriving, larger and larger in size, with the fleet being completed by the arrival of a monstrous Titan which proceeds to open up a can of divine fury on the opposing Capsuleer fleet. I just don't think a similar effect could have been achieved by a large number of Titans showing up (especially if it required cutting arrival scene of the subcapital support fleet).

I might be going against the popular opinion of the RP community but I think that the empires each field supercapital fleets which are the superior of any Capsuleer force. For now.


Yea, that makes sense. I like that explanation better than the popular belief lol

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#12 - 2014-08-17 14:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Ocih wrote:

Having been on the receiving end of the old school AoE Doomsday, I would liken this to an original Judgement weapon. It seems to be at the very least 10 times more powerful than anything the Avatar could produce but the same effect. It still took two to get my pod. One for the ship, pod ejects, another for the Pod. (I had a DD proof Geddon the last time I was on the end of them, they dumped 3 on me - got my pod anyway but that's another story)

This was an EMP AoE but only one. It also unlocked a gate though. If Pods were in the battle, they could have been sucked through the gate to who knows where and what fate awaited them.


Speaking of Doomsday weapons, the Titan's in the video really bothered me. When it nailed that supercarrier, sure the thing went down, but it didn't explode. Also, why does the Empire only have one titan? Seriously, I mean capsuleers have hundreds collectively, or at least have had over the past 10 years (including those destroyed and those currently in use).

Also, on the topic of EMPs, wouldn't the fuel cells of all the ships have ruptured and caused more damage than they did in the video? Possible exploding or even imploding?


Supers and even capitals leave distinct wrecks when they are destroyed. Seeing a visible super after a doomsday doesn't really surprise me. Seeing a Super Carrier fall to a single Doomsday is quite funny. A T2 tank will handle a dozen. As for the fleet with a single Titan, the Empire has many more. It's hard to say why they only brought one.

The linked video is also a bit of lore in itself because Jamyl is a capsuleer herself.
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Khimi Harar
#13 - 2014-08-22 11:01:40 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Supers and even capitals leave distinct wrecks when they are destroyed. Seeing a visible super after a doomsday doesn't really surprise me. Seeing a Super Carrier fall to a single Doomsday is quite funny. A T2 tank will handle a dozen. As for the fleet with a single Titan, the Empire has many more. It's hard to say why they only brought one.



Not having all your eggs in one basket is probably the idea they are going for here.


Ocih wrote:
The linked video is also a bit of lore in itself because Jamyl is a capsuleer herself.


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#14 - 2014-08-22 20:07:31 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Supers and even capitals leave distinct wrecks when they are destroyed. Seeing a visible super after a doomsday doesn't really surprise me. Seeing a Super Carrier fall to a single Doomsday is quite funny. A T2 tank will handle a dozen. As for the fleet with a single Titan, the Empire has many more. It's hard to say why they only brought one.

The linked video is also a bit of lore in itself because Jamyl is a capsuleer herself.


Five columns of four Avatars is twenty titans. The Amarr Navy is a bit stronger than the HERO coalition as per that video. It's also worth noting that the video in question is a little old now, so it may not be that accurate.

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#15 - 2014-08-22 21:19:33 UTC
Tomiko Kawase wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Supers and even capitals leave distinct wrecks when they are destroyed. Seeing a visible super after a doomsday doesn't really surprise me. Seeing a Super Carrier fall to a single Doomsday is quite funny. A T2 tank will handle a dozen. As for the fleet with a single Titan, the Empire has many more. It's hard to say why they only brought one.

The linked video is also a bit of lore in itself because Jamyl is a capsuleer herself.


Five columns of four Avatars is twenty titans. The Amarr Navy is a bit stronger than the HERO coalition as per that video. It's also worth noting that the video in question is a little old now, so it may not be that accurate.


I seem to recall reading somewhere that this display of ships was a personal escort or guard for the Empress. If it is ceremonial then the whole size of the Amarr naval force might be one or two order of magnitudes larger.

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#16 - 2014-08-22 22:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
The ships in the coronation video were one fleet, assumedly the Domain regional fleet. And probably just a single portion of that fleet (since some defensive squadrons would be left to patrol systems, and others are probably in drydock for repairs/retrofits/construction). Then you consider that they would have defense fleets of similar sizes for each of the regions, and miscellaneous naval groups kept at shore in reserve to be activated when reinforcements are needed. Plus the Heir family fleets, the 24th Imperial Crusade, and the Ammatar Fleet.

The collection of ships in the coronation video was definitely not the combined total of the Amarr Navy, or even a significant portion of it.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#17 - 2014-09-04 04:03:11 UTC
Arline Kley wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Supers and even capitals leave distinct wrecks when they are destroyed. Seeing a visible super after a doomsday doesn't really surprise me. Seeing a Super Carrier fall to a single Doomsday is quite funny. A T2 tank will handle a dozen. As for the fleet with a single Titan, the Empire has many more. It's hard to say why they only brought one.



Not having all your eggs in one basket is probably the idea they are going for here.


Ocih wrote:
The linked video is also a bit of lore in itself because Jamyl is a capsuleer herself.


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