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cloaked freighter

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Abel Kugisa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-08-02 16:12:58 UTC
I believe a freighter that could use a covert ops cloaking device would add some fun to this game. It should have less ehp and a little bit less cargo, everything else could be the same. It should not cost much more than a normal freighter.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#2 - 2014-08-02 16:14:41 UTC
Sorry, but nothing constructive and non-offensive comes to mind, so I'll keep it as civil as I can with a simple:

No!

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2014-08-02 16:16:39 UTC
Jump Freighters are what you want OP. They can appear and disappear at will... they just need a second person to facilitate this ability.
rothmal
Vengance Inc.
#4 - 2014-08-02 16:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: rothmal
the only problem I see is the Freighter jumping into a system with 5 people in it and then warping off grid waiting until the people leave system. while the other guys go and dock up and start writing afk cloaking posts on the forums. overnight null sec will die with freighter afraid to leave system because they might get ganked and the other guys afraid of undock because they might get ganked by the cloaky ship.
Abel Kugisa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-08-02 16:34:10 UTC
No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2014-08-02 16:35:43 UTC
Abel Kugisa wrote:
No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly.


I want you gone from this game. That would be fun.
Abel Kugisa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-02 16:42:54 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Abel Kugisa wrote:
No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly.


I want you gone from this game. That would be fun.


No, that is not what you want. You want me to lose my cloaked freighter on a gate camp in low sec.
Iain Cariaba
#8 - 2014-08-02 16:50:42 UTC
Abel Kugisa wrote:
No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly.

Of course jump freighters add fun to the game. You just have to realize how few people know how to fly them properly.

Covops cloaks on freighters is just inane. It gives no benefits as a freighter's align time is so long you'd have no issues at all decloaking one on gate. The only role I could see a cloaking freighter being used for is as a giant blops fuel/ammo can, a role already taken by DSTs and blockade runners.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#9 - 2014-08-02 20:13:33 UTC
Covert-cloaking freighters are hilariously broken even as an idea.

I suspect OP lost a freighter trying to fly alone and this is his kneejerk reaction to it.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-08-02 21:24:30 UTC
Obvious troll.
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#11 - 2014-08-02 22:20:33 UTC
No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly.

All you have to do is catch a freighter at a gate and bump it with a Speed Tanked Mach to keep it from aligning. Once it is far enough from the gate the Udder Care Bear Ganker's arrive in their Catalyst Blob and take it down within a few seconds.

I have seen this happen far to many times.

So even if you are flying the freighter correctly there is no assured method of avoiding The Gank.

What I think would be better would be to break the Freighter down into more localized class types such as ore, mineral, ship, modules, cow milk, cow milk types of freighters that would have base cargo holds of around 75k to 100k and then larger specialized cargo sections and vice versa. Basically the same as the smaller industrials but on a larger scale.

The freighters also need the ability to escape a Bumper Gank without having to buy a permit to ensure their safe travel.

Without having the ability to escape the gank by theirself the Capsuleer is being made to either purchase a permit or be destroyed which is actually in violation of EULA Section 16

Quote:
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.
This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.

Which because the Freighter Pilot does not have any other means of escaping the Gank except by purchasing a permit the pilots ability to enjoy the game has been interfered with.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-08-02 22:24:39 UTC
No.

Just...just no.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Big G Chelien
The Unwanted One's
#13 - 2014-08-02 22:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Big G Chelien
DrysonBennington wrote:


Without having the ability to escape the gank by theirself the Capsuleer is being made to either purchase a permit or be destroyed which is actually in violation of EULA Section 16


Since when are you CCP? Also, CCP has already made their decision on this issue. Which I fully support.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#14 - 2014-08-02 22:45:42 UTC
I took a Providence Freighter to the New Eden System once for shizzles.

The scout I used to get it there and back was always cloaked and the Freighter only logged in when I saw fit to do so.

Where there is a will, there is a way.
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#15 - 2014-08-02 22:55:30 UTC
Big G Chelien wrote:
DrysonBennington wrote:


Without having the ability to escape the gank by theirself the Capsuleer is being made to either purchase a permit or be destroyed which is actually in violation of EULA Section 16


Since when are you CCP? Also, CCP has already made their decision on this issue. Which I fully support.



I never said that I was CCP nor am I implying that I am a representative of CCP but I am merely quoting the from the EULA the exploited game mechanic that must be fixed to insure that the Freighter Pilot has the ability to employ other options other than self destructing the freighter, ejecting and abandoning the freighter, having the freighter destroyed by the gank or purchasing a permit in order to escape from being ganked.

All of these actions do violate the Freighter piltos right to enjoy the game based on EULA 16.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#16 - 2014-08-02 23:07:57 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
All you have to do is catch a freighter at a gate and bump it with a Speed Tanked Mach to keep it from aligning. Once it is far enough from the gate the Udder Care Bear Ganker's arrive in their Catalyst Blob and take it down within a few seconds.


This only works if the freighter pilot is incompetent or bloody unlucky.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Mag's
Azn Empire
#17 - 2014-08-03 00:55:29 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Sorry, but nothing constructive and non-offensive comes to mind, so I'll keep it as civil as I can with a simple:

No!


Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-08-03 02:54:18 UTC
Then once you've reached a certain level of ISK you automatically become immune to ganks.

Freighters are supposed to be a bit of a danger to fly. If you want a covops hauler, then that's what transport ships are for.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#19 - 2014-08-03 06:38:38 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:



I never said that I was CCP nor am I implying that I am a representative of CCP but I am merely quoting the from the EULA the exploited game mechanic that must be fixed to insure that the Freighter Pilot has the ability to employ other options other than self destructing the freighter, ejecting and abandoning the freighter, having the freighter destroyed by the gank or purchasing a permit in order to escape from being ganked.

All of these actions do violate the Freighter piltos right to enjoy the game based on EULA 16.


CCP has clearly stated about ten thousand times that bumping is a valid game mechanic.

You forgot a option in your list. it's called "friends" or even "alts" and using these weird new tools like the "starmap" to avoid warping a hauler into a hot spot. I've even heard tales of some freighter players actually using "friends" in combat ships to assist them and escort them.

Sure makes a lot more sense then flying a giant space brick around totally blind, refusing to use any of the tools that CCP provides to keep yourself self, then crying all over the forums when things don't go well.

CCP says no, and however you personally read the EULA is without meaning - what actually has meaning is what CCP has said, and they have clearly said "NO" to your thought process, about 4 dozen times. Perhaps you should take a moment to use the search tool and look up CCP's response to this?
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#20 - 2014-08-03 07:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
DrysonBennington wrote:



I never said that I was CCP nor am I implying that I am a representative of CCP but I am merely quoting the from the EULA the exploited game mechanic that must be fixed to insure that the Freighter Pilot has the ability to employ other options other than self destructing the freighter, ejecting and abandoning the freighter, having the freighter destroyed by the gank or purchasing a permit in order to escape from being ganked.

All of these actions do violate the Freighter piltos right to enjoy the game based on EULA 16.


CCP has clearly stated about ten thousand times that bumping is a valid game mechanic.

You forgot a option in your list. it's called "friends" or even "alts" and using these weird new tools like the "starmap" to avoid warping a hauler into a hot spot. I've even heard tales of some freighter players actually using "friends" in combat ships to assist them and escort them.

Sure makes a lot more sense then flying a giant space brick around totally blind, refusing to use any of the tools that CCP provides to keep yourself self, then crying all over the forums when things don't go well.

CCP says no, and however you personally read the EULA is without meaning - what actually has meaning is what CCP has said, and they have clearly said "NO" to your thought process, about 4 dozen times. Perhaps you should take a moment to use the search tool and look up CCP's response to this?


While I support your position and admire your alliance, your grammar is severely lacking.

What I think our OP(Edit: sorry I mean Dryson) is failing to understand(to reiterate it more bluntly and plainly) is the the EULA exists to justify CCP's actions towards their customer base. It is not a constitutional bill of rights. Roll (I find it shocking that I had to say this)


Edit: Wow, I thought I was posting in the other topic. These all look the same with all the whining.
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