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If Red decs Blue, then they will be set to -10. If red then decs you, you will be set to -10. Now if you attack while there are blue in system, they can't hide their "fun war" to focus on you, because you both have -10. And that's not the only reason you might want to change from -10. For example RvB might want to dec BNI, but might want to still allow them to use their POCOs at a normal standing.

So again, it's not just how it affect it from you view, and again I will suggest: it seems like you could already resolve your issue though in-game means, by either spending the time sorting your standings (the bulk of which would only need to be done once) or by reducing your number of wars.

Standings don't only affect the overview. Other mechanics are affected by standings. Who are you to determine that all war targets should be -10 for all standings purposes?

Yes, so while they are at war with both you AND blue, they are completely unable to set up an overview that only shows you. See how that might be an issue? Some groups prioritise targets by setting different standings and setting up different overviews to show those standings.

And what if they want BNI to be able to still use the POCO before the war is over?

So this basically boils down to: because you can't be bothered to set your standings, other people will need to mess around with their standings when they get automatically set by war decs, not to mention that if the change were put in, it would create a clear inconsistency between aggressors and defenders?

I think not. Just sort your standings out like everyone else or cut down on your wars if you have too many. No temporary fixes required, you can do that right this moment if you wish.

Yes, I did read, and It was basically along the lines of, you don;t want to adjust your settings manually, so you want them done automatically, and anyone that doesn't want that will have to set their manually instead. Basically you want to make your problem everyone else's problem instead.

And RvB POCOs are open to anyone they have set red as far as I know.

You only have to adjust yours so much because you choose to have too many wars. You put yourself in the situation you are in, so you can resolve it yourself. The system shouldn't be changed so that you can have an easier time while other people have to mess about. It's a selfish change.

And why do I care if you decced RvB?

But it;s not "1 time". It's "1 time each time anyone who doesn't want it change declares war". The fact that you have so many wars is your problem. You chose to have those wars.

Look, I'm not going to argue this all day with you, because as usual, you have absolutely no idea how to look at things for any perspective than your own. So this is the last post unless others chime in, and heres the list:

1. It's a selfish change, which would benefit you at the detriment of others.
2. It creates a divide between the settings of aggressors and defenders which is likely to lead to people not realising that some targets will not be shown in their overview (worse than now).
3. The change is only needed because you have too many wars and you can't be bothered to deal with the consequence of doing that.
4. It's automatically adjusting settings which people like to control manually, which affects far more than just the overview, eliminating choice and potentially causing further issues.

3 is a pretty big one. You want hundreds of wars, complex management is your consequence. Why should it be made even easier for you just because you can't be bothered to put in the leg work for the situation you chose?

OK, so 1 more

1. No, it makes it easier for groups like you. Groups who like to vary their standings - even on war targets - have more to do.

2. Yes, except you states it doesn't change for the defender. So If I am in a corp that has started war decs, I set up a WT overview. Now if someone declares against us, they will be invisible on my overview if we don't set their standing. That's inconsistent behaviour, which is bad.

3. No, it shouldn't. If you choose to have 200 wardecs, you should have to do 200x the work. You can't be bothered and want it to be automatic so you can wardec as much as you like effortlessly. Well tough. choices have consequences, and you made your choice. Personally I think there should be even more downsides to having hundreds of wars.

4. Not all of them. You explained how you feel about it. You are not everyone.

And that's it.

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I edited my first post and also changed the subject of the topic to the new proposal here (it's pretty much the same with some small changes).

This new proposal with 2 new options under the popup window you get when you are pressing the 'Declare War' button is optional to everyone. If you decides to use the 2 new options, it will only affect you who sends out war decs and no one else. If you don't decides to use it, you can just keep doing what you are doing as normal. This wont affect RvB at all as they have the option to rule out the -10 standing when they sends out the war decs to each others.

So what do you think about that Lucas?

I don't think you fully understand what the problem is. It doesn't matter how many wars you have. Before you can get the war targets only to show up on the overview in a seperate overview tab, you have to set 1) personal -10 standings to everyone you war dec, 2) set corp standings to -10 to everyone you war dec or 3) set alliance wide standings to -10 to everyone you war dec.

It should be enough to just war dec someone to get the war targets only to show up correctly on the overview if you have edited a seperate overview tab to show only war targets. Why do we have to mess around with standings for many hours each weeks to be able to get them to show up like they should for us?

You can create a seperate overview tab to show drones, wrecks, POS'es and so on only, so why can't we do the same with war targets?

The fact is that you shouldn't have to touch the standings at all to be able to see the war targets correctly on the overview. So the only easy way is to temporary fix this like this until CCP fixes the issues with the overview by adding those 2 options in the 'Declare War' popup window as i did write about in my first post. By doing this temporary fix, CCP can relax a bit more and use more time to fix the issues with war targets in the overview and make sure they fix the issues for good this time.

Here you will rather get an option in that popup window where you can enable the 'Add -10 in standing to active war decs' where the standing automaticly will be added to -10 when we sends out the war and the war goes active against someone.

As we don't really want to have everyone at -10 in standing after each wars, you will also have an option called 'Automaticly sets the standings to those you war dec'ed back to the standard standings you had before the war started when the war is over' or something like that to see the non-wartargets as normal again.

Those 2 options wont change anything except for doing an easy workaround of the issues with the overview when it comes to the war targets there. Those who doesn't needs to use them doesn't have to use them if they don't have many war targets and can handle the overview as it is. But it's also available to those who do alot of war decs (like us in Marmite) to be able to see the war targets only on a seperate overview tab without having to change a million things ingame to be able to see them correctly.

So this is nothing more than just the best workaround option to date to fix the issues with war targets.

Now, the war targets isn't the only problem here in the overview. The criminals, suspects, globals and outlaws does have the same problems to. But they are usually few in the same overview, so it's not an issue to handle that.

So it's most important to be able to fix the issues with war targets first of all.

My Response,

lawl!!! Take 5 minutes and make a WT overview like everyone else. When you do more than sit under 1-2 stations, your standing levels actually mean something. To you, WT's come to you because you are only in Jita, Amarr, and 1-2 systems in its pipe. For us larger alliances you WarDec we have more important things to do than visit the hubs, we have active reds to fight. The odds of seeing you in our systems are exactly nil. Therefore the change in standings are just a pain that does not need to happen. Standings are for a reason, you have different icons for WT's in overview for a reason. Create a filter and don't be lazy.

I see you modified your original post to something like this:

When putting in a wardec, it would be cool to have a little check box on the popup screen that reads 'automatically set this target to -10 for the duration of the war'.

Alright, that makes more sense. It leaves the option for players to leave the standings as they are and it offers a 2nd option for entities who would like -10 for their war targets instead. This I can understand. That said, rather than adding in this; I would like to see an overview tab with just war targets; regardless of standings. That would pretty much just sort everything out. What really needs to be done here is fix the overview, not add in new features to go around current shortcomings.

CVA is also one of the oldest alliances in the game, I wouldn't exactly say they don't know what Empire war is like. :P