Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Removed a troll post.

This is the OP: First Page Post has been Updated with TLDR Plus Extras

I blogged this a year ago so I thought I would take a look at it a year later, make some tweaks to it, and vomit it back out onto the forums. 0.0 is supposed to be a sandbox, so why did CCP add SOV to it making it a slab of concrete?

CCP can you please get rid of SOV. (TCUs, SBUs, Timers, and Docking rights.)

So let’s think about this for a few minutes. Null Sec with a clean SOV slate.…… No more grinding structures, ping ponging timers, alarm clocking, and any other horrendous nightmares you can think of from the last 10 years’ experience. You can change/impact the Null Sec landscape every time you log in and not be subjected to weeks of structures, timers, camps, and blobs… CCP wouldn’t be faced with trying to fix something that’s always been “broken”, to make something else that can be “gamed by the few” and gridlocked again like it is now. They can simply turn it off……..SOV all across 0.0 drops…..and the players take control over the new sandbox….

So what are some of the outcomes to doing this…………SOV goes away effectively turning Null Sec back into the “Lawless Space” it’s always been advertised as…………..Station and Out Post docking doors are flung wide open across all of Null Sec and 10 years of trapped assets are unlocked for thousands of current, and past, pilots to use again. Pilots are logging in by the thousands and Null Sec springs back to life.

• Alliances are no longer pinned under the weight of coalitions in order to “keep their space”………..they simply need to live in, and actively defend it for it to be theirs.

• Local and regional politics would develop with leaders/war lord’s etc. coming out of the wood works to govern with limited power to hold over players’ heads.

• Back room deals can be made by the lowest level grunt each day which could drastically impact what happens throughout a constellation or region……stronger relationships are born.

• Contracts mechanics are developed to support regional trade and local deals.

• Ninja living in Null Sec could be done by anyone who wanted to take the risk alone, in Corps, Alliances by choice while others hunted them.

• Grass roots market HUBs and industry in Null Sec would grow to amazing size and use all over null sec….Jita size HUBs policed by Mercs etc………. Mos Isley Space Station etc…

• And so many other opportunities for player driven content would come to life all around 0.0 as players were free to move where they wanted if they were willing to take the risk and develop the relationships..

So no SOV………all the stations and out posts are free ported……….now what? Where can I plant my Alliance flag? What will it be?........my thoughts a “Alliance Capital Station”……destructible……

Alliance Capital Station - Each Alliance can launch one “Capital Station” (Per Region?) which is destructible. Mechanics of how it’s destructible, timers, and what drops is something CCP/Players can toy with.

Thoughts/options that CCP can build on to make it “special”:

• “Capital Stations” allow for Super Carriers to dock
• Docking rights can be set in Capital Stations unlike the local free ported stations
• Super Carrier Construction Upgrade Slots to be added to the Capital Station
• Anchorable mods on the station, large guns, webs, etc. so gunners can use them and station can defend itself like a POS.
• Industry upgrades can be added, taxes collected, etc.
• It takes an Alliance to up keep it….they take fuel, food, dancers, janitors, cows, booze, drugs, etc to operate/maintain…or it goes off line..
• Walking in station upgrades, Licenses granted for such things as Casinos, bars, shops etc..only available at Alliance Capital Stations…the more come the more isk you make

Embassy’s – (Its already going on so why not make it official) An Alliance holding a Region with a Capital Station, can secure an “Embassy” in a Free-Ported station in each of the Constellations within the Region held. The benefits of such an Embassy can be decided as this mechanics are hammered out. Maybe some sort of benefits to anyone using the station for trade, industry, or whatever which in turn allows the Alliance to tax the goings on in that station etc.

So what about Jump Bridges, Cyno Gens, Jammers, CSAAs, and all the other SOV driven items? Without getting to f***ing complicated, I’m pretty sure most of you guys can figure out how to tie those back into the system without turning 0.0 into the same mess it’s in now.

Let’s face it, CCP is nowhere near figuring out how to “fix” current Null Sec “SOV” mechanics because there is no way to fix it…….shut it down, put in place mechanics that already exist (stations) and with a few tweaks we could be up and running with a new and fresh Null Sec which will thrive for years to come…

Anyways…….It’s an idea. Build off it or adjust as you think will work better but the simpler the idea more apt it’s going to get implemented by CCP quicker. The folks that keep coming up with these complicated and intricate ways to “fix” it just stagnate the process and to be honest, I think that’s why you do it so stfu. The above details, or some iteration of it, will give new players a chance to make it in this game and not simply be a puppet.

Anywhoo……….flame away and cry like babies about “already having NPC space” and silly crap like that. This is what needs to happen for EVE to survive….

Fly it like you stole it!!!
(RIP TN)

This sounds like a giant hamster wheel? What would be the incentive for Coalitions to break up if 0.0 SOV went this way?
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Nope, it’s not exactly low sec and it doesn’t already exist as I've described.

Obviously CCP are putting a lot of effort into the changes revolving around Null Sec "SOV" so using this idea as a starting point, it would clean the slate so they can focus on new and exciting options for them to build upon instead of wasting an insane amount of resources/time trying to put in place FW or other "SOV" mechanics that will just be gammed by the coalition’s again.

If you want to elaborate on what the underlying issue you have with the idea is then I would love to hear it? Is it that you want your name to show up on the EVE map even if you can’t afford to build an ACS in a region but still occupying it? That’s understandable especially if your Alliance is farming, defending, and policing the region effectively. You would still be able to anchor IHUBs so as they increased your influence on the space you occupied your Alliance name would start showing up on the EVE "SOV" map as holding that space.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I could be missing the reason some people want to run on a hamster wheel when they log in in order to "hold space" but no one has yet to explain this? Do you really want to hold space in 0.0 based on how many rats you shoot, mins you mine, and HP/Timers you're able to hide behind? I thought 0.0 Alliances were supposed to be tough and be the "end game" goal for players to be proud of?

If I were CCP I'd ask the CSM9 folks if they would be willing to go this route if CCP were willing to make Covert Ops cloaks something that used fuel or charges so "AFK" cloakers would run out of gas if cloaked for more than an hour or so. I know this issue could run rampant under what I promote so it would be something that could need to be adjusted for this to work.
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I believe it is key that regardless of specific mechanics changes, ISK acquisition be directly tied into continued conflict at the alliance level.

What I mean is, CCP needs to write into the very DNA of any SOV 2.0 system a huge baseline reduction in today's ISK generation in null, followed by buffs to recover said ISK generation resulting from taking and holding systems.

The more systems held, the more buffs to alliance-member ISK generation an alliance receives in those systems....

Think of the impact that would have to the blue-donut, renter stagnation etc...only people actively shooting others in the head (or supporting those that do) in conquest, would make big ISK.

In my musings I further enhanced the ISK-driver concept with a 'home' system and buffs to warfare, as well as common themes around force projection reductions and the nerfing of cyno's to make null SOV a 'march across WWII Europe' similar to the game of Risk, and open the door to smaller alliances biting off pieces of undefended outer systems...

...but key is getting that ISK-for-conflict driver right.

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Must not let this thread die.

+1 because of truth

Yes, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS!

+1 I cannot +1 this enough!

I'm not sure what you said there. I'm also not sure you read enough of what people have posted to understand the general approach.

If CCP wiped the structure/timer issue clean as a requirement to hold space, they could then focus on generating **** that makes this game cool and the reason to fight for systems in 0.0.

Most of EVE players are getting older and dont have time to run on the hamster wheels of SOV like they use to and the A.D.D new gen players want faster content. Add content drivers to the game such as the Castle Blacks, Special Mission agents, plexes that take fleets with SC and Titans in them to complete, and other amazing new content to fight over regions for.

Biggest hurdle facing CCP now is vets are losing confidence that CCP actual has a longterm road map planned out for 0.0 and at this point we're like kids in the back seat screaming "are we there yet??" as we've already **** our pants a number of times and daddy CCP is probably getting ready to run the family car off a cliff at this point just to make us stop.
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If you haven’t noticed yet, CCP is planning on changing null sec mechanics. Furthermore, if you haven’t noticed, SOV mechanics are **** and have in part produced the circle jerk we’ve got going on today. Add a little goonie diplomacy in there and we got the human centipede we see circling null sec. If you want to throw a statement at it like “turn it into NPC Null sec” without reading the rest of the ideas that differ it from NPC Null sec then my effortless answer back to you would be “no”….

As far as you being “confident” that CFC could blob without timers goes…….good for you. From your employment history it looks like you’ve been kicked about this game worse than most toons I’ve seen so that explains why you would be heated about my idea. You finally “make it” by giving up on being good at the game and join the wannabe goon blob brigade…….gf…

“But why should your arses dock in our stations”………..Yah know what would be hilarious? If CCP implemented the mechanic where you could only doc in a Null Sec station if your character was part of the Corp who anchored it at the time it was anchored. That would keep followers like you from crying about losing or not having access to assets you never had anything to do with in the first place……..

Anywhoo…….thanks for the bump and should be fun to hear what CSM and CCP hammer out this week at the summit…
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