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Clairification: Power of 2 promotion and Multiple Character Training
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JP Dante
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-08-02 06:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: JP Dante
Power of 2 is an occasional promotion CCP offers that grants you a, currently, second account with a slightly discounted 6 month subscription.

the Multiple Character Training is a monthly unlock which allows you to train a second character on the current account without having to pause the training of the main character. this is in my opinion just an attempt to rip off the unaware as, if you look at it on an annual basis, CCP is charging $220 to unlock the training of a second character on an account that is being billed at only $131 a year.

Way to exploit the ignorant masses CCP!
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-08-02 06:49:01 UTC
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Dave Stark
#3 - 2014-08-02 06:53:32 UTC
paying with plex is more expensive than not paying with plex?

who knew?
everyone but the OP it seems.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#4 - 2014-08-02 06:57:37 UTC
Multiple Character Training has its uses, and they don't involve "an annual basis."

I shudder to think that there may be masses ignorant enough.

Who put the goat in there?
JP Dante
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-08-02 07:15:03 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Multiple Character Training has its uses, and they don't involve "an annual basis."

I shudder to think that there may be masses ignorant enough.

I just used the annual basis for the impact, most my friends are in the game for the long haul and subscribe on the annual plan and $220 on a $131 account highlights my point better than $20 on $11 account.

I just use two accounts... cheaper, and I can use both simultaneously.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6 - 2014-08-02 07:16:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
JP Dante wrote:
Way to exploit the ignorant masses CCP!

In addition to Mallak's comment, it's also the same new and exciting wrong conclusion.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-02 07:22:22 UTC
JP Dante wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
Multiple Character Training has its uses, and they don't involve "an annual basis."

I shudder to think that there may be masses ignorant enough.

I just used the annual basis for the impact, most my friends are in the game for the long haul and subscribe on the annual plan and $220 on a $131 account highlights my point better than $20 on $11 account.

I just use two accounts... cheaper, and I can use both simultaneously.


Not everyone wants to open a new account to train a guy for 30 days for their jita trading. That is why the model of dual character training makes sense

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Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#8 - 2014-08-02 07:42:16 UTC
JP Dante wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
Multiple Character Training has its uses, and they don't involve "an annual basis."

I shudder to think that there may be masses ignorant enough.

I just used the annual basis for the impact, most my friends are in the game for the long haul and subscribe on the annual plan and $220 on a $131 account highlights my point better than $20 on $11 account.

I just use two accounts... cheaper, and I can use both simultaneously.


Comparing multiple character training to running a regular account is simply missing the point. MCT is best used to unlock passive or mostly-passive sources of income on alts of your main account without stopping the skill training of you main. Stuff like PI, trading, industry, interceptors for pirate epic arcs are usually trained to sufficient levels in 4-8 weeks, but will continue to provide benefits to you as long as your main account is running even if you stop to MCT. In contrast, doing those things on individual accounts would require continued payments.
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2014-08-02 08:39:50 UTC
JP Dante wrote:
Power of 2 is an occasional promotion CCP offers that grants you a, currently, second account with a slightly discounted 6 month subscription.

the Multiple Character Training is a monthly unlock which allows you to train a second character on the current account without having to pause the training of the main character. this is in my opinion just an attempt to rip off the unaware as, if you look at it on an annual basis, CCP is charging $220 to unlock the training of a second character on an account that is being billed at only $131 a year.

Way to exploit the ignorant masses CCP!


The extra charge is to cover the administrative costs of dealing with petitions from people who haven't read the 700 previous threads on the subject where their question is answered.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-08-02 10:36:07 UTC
JP Dante wrote:
Power of 2 is an occasional promotion CCP offers that grants you a, currently, second account with a slightly discounted 6 month subscription.

the Multiple Character Training is a monthly unlock which allows you to train a second character on the current account without having to pause the training of the main character. this is in my opinion just an attempt to rip off the unaware as, if you look at it on an annual basis, CCP is charging $220 to unlock the training of a second character on an account that is being billed at only $131 a year.

Way to exploit the ignorant masses CCP!




So rather than use a single plex to train a hauling or PI alt for just the 4 weeks it needs to get skills for the job and then use it for free for ever afterwards you prefer to sub a second account and pay a sub every month indefinitely ?

Fair enough. Go for it.
Serene Repose
#11 - 2014-08-02 12:16:05 UTC
Isn't the Power of Two promotion so full of thrills, chills and spills? It makes such fascinating reading. I'll bet the folks that deal with YOUR ACCOUNT are even MORE interested than we mere players here on this FORUM. Though, I don't think the folks that deal with YOUR ACCOUNT look for work to do on this forum. I think they wait until something appears through the ACCOUNT PAGE. I know I would. It is, after all, Summertime! Well, for half the world, anyway...the half with the most LAND.

Now. About my kitchen getting painted. CCP...where ARE you?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#12 - 2014-08-02 15:34:14 UTC
If your space rich, the whole game is free.

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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#13 - 2014-08-02 16:22:24 UTC
JP Dante wrote:
Power of 2 is an occasional promotion CCP offers that grants you a, currently, second account with a slightly discounted 6 month subscription.

the Multiple Character Training is a monthly unlock which allows you to train a second character on the current account without having to pause the training of the main character. this is in my opinion just an attempt to rip off the unaware as, if you look at it on an annual basis, CCP is charging $220 to unlock the training of a second character on an account that is being billed at only $131 a year.

Way to exploit the ignorant masses CCP!


Yes, because as others said, once my PI/Indy/Trading alt is done training, what I need is to have to permanently sub a second account in order to have access to the character Roll

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#14 - 2014-08-02 17:06:40 UTC
OP has totally ignored another mass scam by CCP:

The more months you buy in 1 go, the cheaper it gets per month!

Thats right OP. This is getting even more sinister every second!

RISE IN DEFENSE OF THE (ignorant) MASSES !!!!
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#15 - 2014-08-02 21:09:03 UTC
I would say it's a rip for another reason.

Let's ignore difference between cost for a sec. You can only use one character at a time on the same account. So why waste money to unlock training a second character when you'd be better off just paying for a second account and have the added bonus of using both at once?

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2014-08-02 21:21:40 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Let's ignore difference between cost for a sec. You can only use one character at a time on the same account. So why waste money to unlock training a second character when you'd be better off just paying for a second account and have the added bonus of using both at once?

Same reason for the cost: because it would be a very silly thing to waste an entire account on and therefore is a hellalot cheaper and more convenient.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#17 - 2014-08-02 22:01:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Let's ignore difference between cost for a sec. You can only use one character at a time on the same account. So why waste money to unlock training a second character when you'd be better off just paying for a second account and have the added bonus of using both at once?

Same reason for the cost: because it would be a very silly thing to waste an entire account on and therefore is a hellalot cheaper and more convenient.




Not sure what you are trying to say here but anyway I was just pointing out the added benefit of being able to use both characters at once by going with a second account.

Let's bring the cost in.

The Buddy system. 21 days of training time plus a plex when the account is upgraded ($14.95). What can I do with this? I can use it to create a second account and train what I can on the trial. At the end of the trial I can upgrade at a minimum total cost of $14.95 and continue training on the full account then use the plex to transfer the character.

More train time at less the cost of paying to train a second character on the same account for just one month.

If I wish/need to train the second character for longer, I just sit on the plex and save even more by buying time bundles.

Rendering the flat $19.95 or 1 Plex per month deal absolutely pointless.

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http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#18 - 2014-08-02 22:07:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Let's ignore difference between cost for a sec. You can only use one character at a time on the same account. So why waste money to unlock training a second character when you'd be better off just paying for a second account and have the added bonus of using both at once?

Same reason for the cost: because it would be a very silly thing to waste an entire account on and therefore is a hellalot cheaper and more convenient.




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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2014-08-02 22:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Not sure what you are trying to say here but anyway I was just pointing out the added benefit of being able to use both characters at once by going with a second account.
…and I pointed out the added benefit of not having to futz around with or maintain a second account.

Quote:
Let's bring the cost in.

Ok.

MCT: 60 days of training for 2 PLEX — character is available forever.

Buddy system: 51 days of training for 1 PLEX, +1 PLEX for every month thereafter — character is only available as long as you keep playing, no limit to total cost. Alternatively, 51 days of training for 1 PLEX + 2 PLEX for a transfer to the main account — character is available forever, total cost of 3 PLEX. Even if you fiddle around with chained accounts (and risk being banned from using buddy accounts because you're abusing the system), you still only end up with 51 days of training on the second character, which is less than the 60 days you get with MCT.

Less training time for a higher minimum cost, alternatively, a second account that keeps costing forever if you want to keep using. Either way: MCT ends up being far cheaper for what you get.

The buddy account system is neat if you need a second log-in; it's pretty horrid if you just need a second specialist character.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#20 - 2014-08-02 22:45:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Angeal MacNova
Tippia wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Not sure what you are trying to say here but anyway I was just pointing out the added benefit of being able to use both characters at once by going with a second account.
…and I pointed out the added benefit of not having to futz around with or maintain a second account.

Quote:
Let's bring the cost in.

Ok.

MCT: 60 days of training for 2 PLEX — character is available forever.

Buddy system: 51 days of training for 1 PLEX, +1 PLEX for every month thereafter — character is only available as long as you keep playing, no limit to total cost. Alternatively, 51 days of training for 1 PLEX + 2 PLEX for a transfer to the main account — character is available forever, total cost of 3 PLEX. Even if you fiddle around with chained accounts (and risk being banned from using buddy accounts because you're abusing the system), you still only end up with 51 days of training on the second character, which is less than the 60 days you get with MCT.

Less training time for a higher minimum cost, alternatively, a second account that keeps costing forever if you want to keep using. Either way: MCT ends up being far cheaper for what you get.

The buddy account system is neat if you need a second log-in; it's pretty horrid if you just need a second specialist character.


What kind of smoke and mirrors BS is that?

The MCT part is fine but the buddy system? It allows the second account to have a 21 day trial and when upgraded to a full account, you'll get a free plex.

A plex is $19.95 but a month sub is $15.95. You would pay to upgrade the 21 day trial to a full account by paying the $15.95 and so you get 51 days of game time on that account plus the free plex you can use to transfer the character once you're done training.

So for the buddy system you can train the alt account for 51 days at a cost of $15.95
For the MCT it'll cost you $39.90 for 60 days.

For the buddy system that is $0.31 a day of training.
For the MCT that is $0.66 a day of training.

The free plex is then used to transfer the alt character to the main account allowing your new character to be "available forever" at no additional cost.

So set a time frame in which you want to train the alt character for. Any time frame and I can show how and why the alt account is cheaper and better. I can show you the cheapest way of doing either way, show you how much each way would cost, and show you how much you'd save by taking advantage of the buddy system.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
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